
A 1935 Texas dust storm like those in Kristin Hannah’s novel The Four Winds.
Today’s topic evokes a topic I’ve previously written about — novels that evoke previous novels.
This doesn’t mean the evoking book is plagiaristic. Often, the novel is quite original and excellent (like the one I’m about to discuss), even as the author deliberately or subconsciously makes references to previous literature. Heck, there are only so many plots, ideas, scenarios, character types, etc. No novel is completely unique.
As alluded to, I’m going to discuss this concept via a novel I recently read — Kristin Hannah’s propulsive, page-turning, heartbreaking The Four Winds.
Among the characters its Elsa protagonist evokes is Jane Eyre. Both are plain-looking and had difficult childhoods almost totally devoid of love, yet they are “survivors” possessing a good measure of resilience. Perhaps not a coincidence that among Elsa’s favorite novels in The Four Winds is…Charlotte Bronte’s Jane Eyre.
Elsa — whose low self-esteem is eventually helped somewhat by becoming a hard-working farm woman and mother, and by growing close to the two loving parents of her problematic husband — also made me think of Valancy Stirling of L.M. Montgomery’s The Blue Castle. Valancy, too, had to deal with horrible, judgmental parenting and other challenges such as (alleged) ill health, even as she would find the strength and independence to try to better her life.
But the novel that The Four Winds most evokes is The Grapes of Wrath. Most of Hannah’s book is set in the 1930s — the Depression-era decade in which John Steinbeck’s 1939-published classic also unfolds. Elsa (along with her two children) flee drought-stricken “Dust Bowl” Texas to seek a better life in California, only to face huge difficulties and vicious anti-poor/anti-newcomer sentiment from landowners, the police, and many other residents in “The Golden State” — challenges previously faced by Steinbeck’s Joad family, who drove to California from Oklahoma. Elsa’s personality feels like a mix of the fierce, compassionate Ma Joad and her stoic, admirable son Tom Joad.
Meanwhile, communist union organizer Jack in The Four Winds is reminiscent of lapsed preacher Jim Casy in The Grapes of Wrath…and also makes one think of lawyer Max in Richard Wright’s Native Son. Those three characters are sympathetic and non-stereotypical — not always the case with depictions of “reds” or other leftists in literature.
Finally, Elsa’s strong-willed, gutsy, dissatisfied, rebellious, ultimately loving daughter Loreda evokes too many other fictional teens to name, yet she is a very distinct character in her own right. Which helped remind me once again that Kristin Hannah is one of my favorite living novelists.
Your thoughts on this topic?
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I lived Kristin Hannahβs book but it reminds me SO much of The Grapes of Wrath. Even down the cars/camp flooding. They seem almost too similar?
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Thank you! I agree that “The Four Winds” is very “The Grapes of Wrath”-ish, and deliberately so. But I think it’s different enough to have been worth writing; for instance, the emphasis on a woman protagonist. I love the novel, and almost everything Hannah writes. (I’ve read about a dozen of her books in the past year-and-a-half.)
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I haven’r read ‘The Four Winds’, but I’m in complete agreement about the topic of this blog. It’s difficult to be completely original in any story, given the wealth of these which have already been written. Most ‘new’ stories draw on something from what’s already out there, even if it’s just small tropes or themes. Thus, Harry Potter is Jane Eyre (orphan raised by nasty relatives who don’t want him), and Jane Eyre’s horrid cousins are the Ugly Sisters (with an even uglier brother for good measure). The first ‘adult’ book I ever bought, aged 7 (and which I still have) was ‘Lorna Doone’. Imagine my surprise when, at university in my 40s, I studies a book entitled ‘Mauprat’ by George
Sand which contained the same scenario of a noble family gone to the bad – robber barons to rival the Doones. As Sand’s text was written first, R D Blackmore must have got the idea from her, I’m guessing. There’s a fine line between influence and plagiarism, however, and too much of another book used risks crossing said line. The likenesses to ‘The Grapes of Wrath’ (a favourite of mine) used in the book cited above sound pretty close, although I’d have to read it to decide – and maybe I will. Another excellent topic on this blog to get the grey matter working. Many thanks.
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Thank you, Anonymous! Great comment! Yes, almost everything has been written before in some way, but an author can put her or his original stamp on content.
And that’s an interesting Jane Eyre-Harry Potter connection I hadn’t thought of! I can see the similarity. Now I’m wondering what kind of wand Jane Eyre used. π
Not surprised that George Sands preceded R.D. Blackmore with the theme you referenced; she was a very original writer.
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That was me again Dave, Laura Lyndhurst. It’s the system that’s making me anonymous, honest. π Whatever kind of wand Jane Eyre had, it was powerful magic for her to find her long-lost relatives without even trying.
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Ha, Laura! π Yes — one of those amazing coincidences we find in some 19th-century novels. π
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Hi Dave,
I rarely have an instant response to your posts. Sometimes I need to ruminate a day or 2.
The closest I could come:
I had a very close older friend (rip – 10years ago)
This person was an accomplished artist in many fields: Playwright (one produced by a major theatre in the 60’s), TV Director, Author (1 book published)
Artist (many art shows and 1 painting bought by the Art Gallery of Ontario for its collection), I could go on.
In his last years he decided to write what would be his signature novel. He still had literary connections.
He worked on it for almost 3 years.
I read it.
Although Pygmalion is not totally unique… “My Fair Lady” …
He literally wrote “Born Yesterday”.. the movie. Very pygmalion.
Yes, names different, but the situation(s) not so much.
I could see the movie go by in my mind as I read the book.
Many read it.
No one, like myself knew what to say.
I don’t know if anyone ever told him that he rewrote “Born Yesterday”… I wish I would have had the guts.
It never got published, and I don’t know what his publisher said.
I never asked. Like I said….no guts.
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Thank you, Resa! That’s a very interesting, sad, awkward memory. π¦ I suppose there are instances of “subconscious copying,” as has been apparently the case in literature (for instance, the plot of Colleen McCullough’s “The Ladies of Missalonghi” evoking the plot of L.M. Montgomery’s “The Blue Castle”) and music (for instance, the melody of George Harrison’s “My Sweet Lord” evoking the melody of The Chiffons’ “He’s So Fine”).
By the way, I’m currently reading another Joy Fielding novel — “Puppet” — and am totally engrossed. π
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βsubconscious copying,β
Yes, music is always in the news on that one
“Stairway to Heaven”..
Oh yay! I en(Joy)ed “Puppet”.
Not my fave, but still great.
I never read a book of hers that I did not like.
She really does possess the art of stories about ordinary people…. and suspense.
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Yes! “Stairway to Heaven” is another example.
What you said about Joy Fielding is true on all counts! (“Puppet” is not my favorite of hers either — those are “Grand Avenue” and “Cul de Sac,” so far) but it is indeed still very worth reading.
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Agree! Love her work. One day you’ll read “See Jane Run”!
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I looked for “See Jane Run” in my local library earlier this month. Not there — π¦ — so I chose “Puppet” instead after perusing the book jackets of several of her other novels. π
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Cool!!!!!
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Hi Dave, Have you read The Last Ballad by Wiley Cash? I note that the unlikely empowered heroine dies in the same manner as the unlikely empowered female in The Four Winds. What do you think?
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I haven’t read “The Last Ballad.” If it’s anywhere near as good as “The Four Winds,” it would be pretty darn good.
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Hi Dave!
My friend and I had this discussion not so long ago. How to write a novel without evoking another. It can be hard, and I think most authors tend to evoke other novels at one point or another (I may be wrong). Maybe it’s because people, at some point in their life, share the same experiences, or, at least almost the same. I think it can be difficult to disguise it in a novel, to express that experience, in such a different way that it does not evoke other novels.
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Thank you, Lena! I agree that it’s hard for novelists to avoid evoking other novels, whether consciously or subconsciously. There are so many works out there, and, as you say, many of us share similar experiences.
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Writing on a balky and treacherous old computer, and late to the discussion, I will make my contribution brief, and hope it isn’t somehow swallowed up in digital purgatory before I finish.
Vasily Grossman, Soviet journalist and Ukrainian-born, wrote a most voluminous tome centered on the battle of Stalingrad, and on a swath of personalities, mostly fictional, bur occasionally historical, swept up in the terrible cruelties and privations and violence of the times. “Life and Fate” runs to 871 pages in the unwieldy edition I read, and has been made intentionally in the shadow and methods of characterization that Leo Tolstoy employed in his own massive and wide-ranging work, “War and Peace”.
Unlike Tolstoy’s book, Grossman’s was thoroughly repressed, his manuscript confiscated, and did not see light of day for years after its completion, and after its author’death. The translation into English appeared in 1985. A recent illness forced rest on me, and so, after a decade of having the book in the house, I read it. Only after, did I remember the flu that laid me low 40 years ago: that ‘s when I read “War and Peace”!
jhNY
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Thank you, jhNY! Glad your excellent comment came through.
First of all, very sorry about your recent illness. Hope you’re feeling better, or starting to feel better.
Yes, being sick can be a time for tackling very long novels — including the “Life and Fate” work that has some similarities to “War and Peace” (which you serendipitously/coincidentally/appropriately read when ill four decades earlier). Horrible that Vasily Grossman’s book was suppressed, and didn’t get published until after he died. The frustration an author feels in a case like that is beyond imagination. π¦
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Hi Dave, I will be very truthful, I never enjoy books that evoke other famous novels I’ve read and loved. They just never meet my expectations. I would never try to write about the Great Depression from an American POV as who could ever measure up to John Steinbeck. Some eras are best avoided in my humble opinion. I didn’t like the attempt at a sequel to Gone with the Wind that someone wrote, I can’t remember who, and I never read Aggie Christie lookalikes (knock offs – haha!) or books about Sherlock Holmes (well, I read one series because it is very funny although rather insulting to poor Mr. Watson). I am a complete literature snob – giggle. That being said, some people love books that evoke other novels and it is a way of bringing those famous ideas and characters to a more modern audience. So, it has its place in the world, just not on my bookshelf. PS, I am considering building a Christmas tree from books. I have enough with my 3,000 strong library.
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Thank you, Robbie! I hear you, and well said! With so many novels to read, we all have certain parameters of what “categories” of books we want to avoid. π In my case, I don’t mind the occasional novel that evokes another novel, as long as it brings something different to the table and doesn’t seem like a blatant ripoff. (Sometimes I don’t know a book will evoke another book until I’m in the middle of reading it, though I knew in the case of “The Four Winds” that I would be in “The Grapes of Wrath” territory; the jacket copy and back-cover blurbs made that clear. π )
A Christmas tree of books from your huge collection would be amazing!
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Thatβs right, Dave. We read the books that interest us the most out of the multitudes. I am listening to a book about the battle of Midway now. Itβs a follow on from the Pearl Harbour book. So interesting! Iβve said if before but Americans write very differently to the British about war and the military.
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Sounds like a compelling book you’re listening to, Robbie; the Battle of Midway was of course a very key moment in World War II. And yes, many differences between the British and Americans — with one example being the way their authors write about things.
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Yes, it is a very exciting story.
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“Four Winds ” not a favorite book of Hannah’s. I read “The Nightengale. ” Was an engaging, emotional novel. I have “Winter Garden ” on my list. I was heart broken while reading “The Nightengale. ”
Michele, E&P way back
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Thank you, Michele! I agree that “The Nightingale” was riveting, but I was very partial to “The Four Winds” as well. I found both books really compelling — and heartbreaking.
I liked “Winter Garden,” too, though it wasn’t among my very favorites by Kristin Hannah.
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I am a great fan of Barbara Kingsolver’s recent “Demon Copperhead,” which deliberately uses the general plot and characters of Dickens’ “David Copperfield.” I thought it was a terrific and funny, if often harrowing, novel, and I liked it better for knowing more or less what was going to happen because of being familiar with the Dickens novel. This kind of thing is an homage to the original book, as opposed to cases I’ve encountered in my reading where one mystery writer has blatantly stolen a story from another with no acknowledgment.
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Thank you, Kim! Great mention! “Demon Copperhead” is very much on my to-read list. (I love everything Barbara Kingsolver writes.) Sounds like she took inspiration from “David Copperfield” to write something spectacularly good. As you say, a homage, and I’m sure quite original, too.
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I think it depends largely on the writer’s perspective and even our own. When I read Cannery Row it reminded me of post dust bowl Grapes of Wrath–same author, different books. Recently, I was discussing with my daughter how absolutely gorgeous Alain Delon was. She had just seen the movie Plein Soleil and I indicated to her that it was based on Highsmith’s book, The Talented Mr. Ripley–same book, different movies. The only thing that really changes is how we imagined it to be then and how it was re-imagined later as oddly familiar as the two may seem. Kinda reminds me of the Sesame Street song, one of the these things is not like the other. Ha. Nice topic Dave. Thanks Susi
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Thank you, Susi! You’re right that there’s a lot of interpretation involved when it comes to deciding how much an author evokes something previously written — with how much time has passed among the factors. And, yes, authors can evoke their own works, even if they’re not writing a direct sequel. (Though “Cannery Row” did have a sequel: “Sweet Thursday.” Pretty good!)
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I’ll definitely have to read the sequel. Thanks for the heads up. I guess I think of a book being similar to an onion, layers upon layers of stories. I once wrote a joke about it ergo: A group of cave men were sitting around a fire when one cave man begins telling the others that old folktale called The Golden Arm. When he had finished one of his fellow cave man asks him, “Hey man. What is gold?” The story is found at this link re: Mark Twain’s version. https://www.online-literature.com/twain/3250/
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I like the book-onion comparison! (And both can cause tears. π ) A VERY interesting Twain link, too!
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It has been said uncountable times: no one that hasn’t been extensively immersed into literature can write something meaningful. It takes a keen eye to observe the the treads that weave the tissue of the reality and that skill has to be learned from the ways previous storytellers approached the socio-cultural fabric of their times.
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Thank you, Shaharee! VERY eloquently said! Writing an excellent novel indeed results from assimilating all kinds of experiences in life — including reading previously published literature.
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Read it before but already forgot the story.π₯°
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Thank you, Arlene! When one does a lot of reading, that can happen. π
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Hi, I talked about the same thing on my blog after I read The Four Winds, which I enjoyed. I think Hannah is a very good writer. It happens that The Grapes of Wrath is one of my all-time favorite books, so it’s hard not to compare. I think I called The Four Winds a lighter version of The Grapes of Wrath. That said, today’s readers might prefer The Four Winds. It’s a compelling time period and there’s definitely room for more than one story.
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Thank you, Book Club Mom! I hadn’t remembered your review of “The Four Winds”! Will search your site to look at it. “The Grapes of Wrath” is also one of my very favorite books. Yes, an even better novel than the impressive “The Four Winds,” but I agree that today’s readers might prefer the latter.
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Just found your 2022 post. Excellent!
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Hi Barbara, an interesting comment. I think you are right about modern readers preferring lighter versions of tragic and compelling books. Doesn’t that defeat the purpose of the original book though? A sort of watering down of the content to make it more palatable for an audience that doesn’t really want to deal with the real truth? Alternatively, it is a way of enticing more readers to at least explore some of the grisly realities of our history and that is a really good thing.
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“The Four Winds” might be a tad lighter than “The Grapes of Wrath,” but it doesn’t pull many punches. Quite brutal and tragic in parts. Left me feeling morose for a couple days. But really well done. Kind of an “A” next to the A+ “Grapes.”
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Hi Dave, I think Iβll have to read it now and compare ππ
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If you do read “The Four Winds,” Robbie, I’d be very interested in seeing your thoughts about it here and/or on your blog. Definitely an intense novel, and one really feels for the main characters.
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It certainly sounds like a great read, Dave.
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It is!
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This is an interesting topic, Dave. You have a great example and many are mentioned in the comments. I have a suggestion, but I have to admit, it might be a case of misremembering. I think there’s a connection between One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest by Ken Kesey and On the Road by Jack Kerouac. But, the source of my confusion might be The Electric Kool Aid Acid Test by Tom Wolfe (non-fiction) which discusses Kesey’s book and gives it an On The Road flavor. There is a “this guy kind of sounds like that guy” aspect to the comparison, but perhaps not one book to another.
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Thank you, Dan! I read both “On The Road” and “One Flew Over the Cuckooβs Nest” so many years ago that I have only a vague memory of the details of each. I guess both authors, at minimum, have a beat/countercultural sensibility.
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I think I might be drawing from Kesey’s presence in The Kool Aid Acid Test, and being on the road in that book. It’s funny how one book makes you think of another.
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A tangled web. π
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Hi Dan, I haven’t read One Flew Over the Cuckooβs Nest. Do you recommend it?
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It’s an interesting book, Robbie. I haven’t read it in a long time but I remember, when the movie came out, that I thought the book was better.
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Ken Kesey’s “Sometimes a Great Notion” is also compelling. Kind of an “East of Eden”-like epic brother vs. brother dynamic.
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I also liked the “One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest” book better than the movie, but the memorable film was almost as good. Some top-notch acting in it.
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It is. That’s one I’ve been thinking about rereading. It’s kicking around here some here.
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Great that you’ve read it, Dan!
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The Electric Kool Aid Acid Test was required reading for an “experimental” Englis class I took my senior year in high school. Some parents complained. The administration allowed us to read it, but wouldn’t provide the book. We had to buy our own copy. After reading about Ken Kesey in that book, I wanted to read more.
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Interesting, Dan! I like the idea of that class. π Ken Kesey and his life were fascinating.
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Good enough recommendation, Dan π
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I find there is a surprising similarity between “Strange Case of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde” and “The Picture of Dorian Gray”.
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Thank you, Tony! Some similarities, some major differences. Published only about five years apart!
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I’ve read some literary criticism that Daphne du Maurier’s “Rebecca” was influenced by “Jane Eyre”.
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Thank you, Tony! I can see some “Jane Eyre” influence on “Rebecca.”
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(Spoiler alert) I also found strange similarities between “Jane Eyre” and “Great Expectations”, both contain an orphan first person narrator/protagonist, a Gothic atmosphere, a creepy old mansion, and a mad woman who dies in a fire.
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Good observations, Tony! “Jane Eyre” came first, of course — the younger Charlotte Bronte perhaps having an influence on Charles Dickens!
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I haven’t yet read Hannah’s “The Four Winds,” but was completely immersed in “The Great Alone.” As I’m not as widely read as you are, I rarely see connections/similarities in a novel with characters from other novels. However, I don’t find this surprising since we humans–across space and time–share inner stories that resonate in some way with our own.
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Thank you, Rosaliene! “…we humansβacross space and timeβshare inner stories that resonate in some way with our own” — love that statement of yours! So true.
“The Four Winds” and “The Great Alone” are both extremely riveting!
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Many years ago, I was introduced to Rebecca of Sunnybrook Farm which was written by Kate Douglas and published in 1903. I liked the title! LOL. I read L.M. Montgomery’s Anne of Green Gables a few years later. Anne Shirley has become a Canadian cultural icon over the past ninety years, cherished within Canada. Many people recognize her as Canada’s best-known fictional export. There are many similarities between Rebecca of Sunnybrook Farm and Anne of Green Gables. And some believe that Anne was patterned after Rebeccaβs Story.
I think that these two writers came up with the idea separately. There is a name for this type of occurrence: Convergent evolution is the scientific term for the phenomenon of people independently coming up with the same idea or innovation at the same time, even when they are not in close proximity.
Rebecca and Anneβs narratives are memorable and touch our hearts. Themes of friendship, love and the power of imagination resonate with us all. I am grateful to Kate Douglas Wiggin and L.M. Montgomery for sharing their gift of writing with the world.
Of course, I had to add a couple of quotes!!!
βTo be alive makes up for everything; there ought to be fears in my heart, but there aren’t; something stronger sweeps them out; something like a wind.β Kate Douglas Wiggin, Rebecca of Sunnybrook Farm
βKindred spirits are not so scarce as I used to think. It’s splendid to find out there are so many of them in the world.β L.M. Montgomery, Anne of Green Gables
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Thank you, Rebecca! I really liked that mention/comparison of
“Rebecca of Sunnybrook Farm” and “Anne of Green Gables” and your comment as a whole! I agree that authors can come up with somewhat similar ideas without any “stealing” involved. There are only so many ideas, and they’re out there in the ether.
“Anne of Green Gables” is definitely cherished in Canada…and worldwide!
Ha ha — π — I can understand why you liked the title of Kate Douglas Wiggin’s novel. π
Great quotes! L.M. Montgomery’s “kindred spirits” phrase is iconic!
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βEtherβ – that is the perfect thought, Dave. When I did a little research on Rebecca of Sunnybrook Farm, I read that Kate Douglas Wigginβs inspiration for this story came from a dream. The βetherβ is a very interesting force!
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One hears that on occasion — books, songs, etc., emerging from a dream. The ether is a very interesting force indeed, Rebecca!
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I thought these two were quite similar Rebecca and I wondered if it was because some themes are universal. For me they stand out better against a simpler, ‘homier’ backdrop, something we have all experienced maybe not exactly as the characters in the stories, I guess because we are often born to look back. Anyway I found the Jane Eyre comments and references interesting because there’s authors who have an entire catalogue on the plain governess and the tortured but not what he seems, master theme.
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All very well said, Shehanne!
“Jane Eyre” and its themes have indeed been incredibly influential on subsequent literature.
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Dave, thank you. I meant to say it is a really good idea for a blog, so much to think about and such good comparisons given.
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Thank you, Shehanne! The comments HAVE been great — including yours. π
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You are very kind.
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I agree, Shey! We are drawn to the simpler, homier backdrop, given our reality of an ever changing mercurial existence in which we live. The other book of the genre was Pollyanna, which was published in 1913. I have often wondered about the societal influence at the time. I smiled when I read your thoughts on βthe plain governess and the tortured by not what he seems, master theme.β What I love about your books, Shey – I have never encountered a meek and mild plain governess in your narratives. Refreshing!!!
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xxx Rebecca, I thought of Pollyanna too. I just couldn’t remember that book so well as the other two. But I had a friend who loved it. I was thinking of the influence of that time that way because in some ways the idea of the books are similar. xxxxx for your kind words. Alas I am not very good at writing meek and plain. This new heroine who will be available early next year lays claim to being a housekeeper with the emphasis on the lays claim.
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I can hardly wait!!!
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xxxxx Rebecca that is very kind. What of course gives her away is her inability to lift a duster er anyone think she is carrying this off. x
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Dusting is a very difficult task!!! LOL
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Yeah.. Especially for her. xxxx
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Mary Poppins isn’t meek and mild either. She is actually a determined and quite bossy woman. She would have been quite unique for her era and some of the stories in the series of books are very imaginative and amazing.
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I agree, Robbie. P.L. Travers’ imaginative storytelling and the enduring charm of Mary Poppins have made her a celebrated author in children’s literature. I have a feeling that Mary Poppins was very much like Travers herself. I read that Travers had a reputation of being demanding, particularly when it came to her work – which is as it should be!
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Oh yes.
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Hi Rebecca, I imagine that characters in books often have a large dollop of the author in them. I am often asked if Michelle from A Ghost and his Gold is me. Of course not, I wouldn’t put up with Tom – haha!
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She was indeed x
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Hi Rebecca, I think you are correct that two authors can think of a similar idea around a similar timeframe and probably as a result of current events or thinking processes. This happened to Teagan with her Dead of Winter series and it could only have ever been coincidence in her case.
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A very good example, Robbie. I loved Teaganβs βDead of Winterβ series.
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Yes, so did I.
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The Four Winds is sitting on my TBR pile. I think I should probably read it! I know have experienced those kinds of echos with prior novels I’ve read, but I can’t think of examples off the top of my head. The one I thought of was Wide Sargasso Sea, which Sara mentioned.
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Thank you, Liz! “The Four Winds” is terrific and intense, but I understand not every book on a TBR pile can be gotten to. π
The richly written, imaginative “Wide Sargasso Sea” is one of the better novels involving an author directly jumping off from a previously published famous work.
Oh, and “echos” is a great word to describe what we’re discussing. π
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You’re welcome, Dave! I always enjoy those echos when I encounter them. π
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Me, too, Liz! π
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Evoking another novel can be a compliment to another novelist though you also get the unique style, method, and taste of the other author who wrote the newer book. It’s cool when books are similar to one another, especially if people really enjoy a particular genre or story scenario. Jane Eyre is such a cool novel with its Gothic setting, but I had troubled enjoying it fully when she falls for the creepy homeowner who put away his “crazy” wife and she was not kept in very nice conditions either. D: Granted, the writing was excellent and as women were considered property back then, the author was really just working within the confines of her day. Jane Eyre was cool in that she enjoyed long walks alone and survived a lot of hardships. If she happened to go “crazy” later on though she likely would have suffered from the same fate as the previous wife. D: Oops.
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Thank you, Sara! Excellent, interesting comment! You definitely offered some valid criticisms of Rochester in “Jane Eyre”; he and his actions were problematic in several ways — something also addressed in Jean Rhys’ “Jane Eyre” prequel “Wide Sargasso Sea,” which, as you might know, looks at the life of the “crazy” wife years before Jane arrived on the scene. (Yes, some of Rochester’s behavior was societally influenced in that much-more-patriarchal time and place, while some was quite individual.) Still, I’m a big fan of the “Jane Eyre” novel overall. π
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The mood of the story was cool, but I guess it’s hard for me to fully enjoy it. It’s stories like that which set alot of young women up to fall for pretty toxic guys, thinking they can soften him up. You’re right Rochester was just himself while the societal norms enabled it. Of course, there’s other great elements of the story as you mentioned.
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Great points. Yes, “Jane Eyre” was a mix of feminist and non-feminist, with of course more feminist elements than most novels of its 1840s time. Actually, the most feminist novel by the Bronte sisters was probably Anne Bronte’s “The Tenant of Wildfell Hall.”
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That’s cool how The Tenant Of Wildfell Hall was considered Anne Brontes most feminist.
And you’re right Jane Eyre was a mix of the two. I liked her outlook on women needing to move their bodies like men do, as women of a certain ststus were often confined to the home. But it’s hard to see clearly when you love someone even if you are feminist. π
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I think “Tenant” was not only more feminist than Anne’s other novel (“Agnes Grey”) but also more feminist than Emily’s “Wuthering Heights” and the several novels Charlotte wrote.
Yes, Jane Eyre enjoyed her walks. And, yes again, one can overlook flaws when one is in love. Jane saw Rochester’s flaws, but…
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Yes exactly. π When you’re in that peak feeling of love, their flaws can even seem exciting. Opposites can attract, but not always for good reasons. Of course even healthy people have some flaws, but it’s bad when the dangerous ones are overlooked.
That’s good to know about Tenant. I may have to read it! π
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You’re right that flaws and differences can seem exciting at first, but that good feeling often doesn’t last. One wonders if Jane and Rochester would have had a happy marriage in the longterm if what happened to him near the end of the novel hadn’t happened. (I don’t want to give it away here in case not every reader of this blog has gotten to “Jane Eyre.” π )
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Fair enough! That’s a good point. :O He would have needed her more than ever with what happened at the end. I watched the film and it was beautifully done. Such stunning landscapes, too!
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Yes, he was quite “humbled.”
I’ve only seen the 1940s “Jane Eyre” movie, with Joan Fontaine and Orson Welles. Liked it, but the two were too glamorous-looking for their roles. Hollywood… π
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I noticed that the 1940’s to 1970’s didn’t do historical fiction. The wardrobes, makeup, etc. were done a lot better post-80’s in period pieces.
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The look of many period pieces made in recent decades is indeed amazing!
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Yes they do such a good job these days! You can tell they really research the eras.
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Agreed! π
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Thank you to Cynthia Ballard Borris and Jacquie Biggar for recommending “The Four Winds”!
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