
If you’re a blogger, I’m sure you periodically go “backstage” on your site to look at viewership statistics. When I do that, I see a recurring thing I’d like to mention this week.
My most-read posts at a given time are of course the most recent ones. But continuing to lurk in second, third, or fourth place every week and month is a piece I published three-and-half years ago — on June 3, 2018. You’d think most people would have read it by now, but WordPress users (perhaps newer ones?) keep finding it, as do people searching the Internet for that topic.
The post is “Strong Female Characters in 19th-Century Fiction,” and I guess it struck a nerve. Many people are fascinated with real and fictional women in the arts, and the 1800s certainly had plenty of iconic female authors and protagonists such as the Bronte sisters, Jane Austen, George Eliot, Mary Shelley, and their creations. Some male authors of that era created memorable women characters, too. All during a time that was sadly ultra-patriarchal.
In addition, the novel as a genre really came into its own during the 1800s — so there’s a LOT of interest in fiction books of that era. The large number of great, iconic 19th-century novels is hard to count.
Anyway, here’s a link to that 2018 blog post, which I also cut-and-pasted after the next paragraph.
If you’d like to add any new comments about the 2018 post under today’s post, please do. And if you’re a blogger, which of your posts keep getting read the most — months or years after you first published them? Also, why are those pieces popular, if you have any theories about that.
Strong Female Characters in 19th-Century Fiction
June 3, 2018
We look back on the 1800s as a time of rampant sexism, patriarchy, male dominance, gender inequality — whatever you want to call it. And it was indeed that sort of time. But a number of 19th-century female novelists, and a few male ones, managed to directly or indirect speak against that in some of their books.
I thought of this last week while reading Lelia by George Sand (born Amandine Lucile Aurore Dupin). In that fascinating 1833 novel, the independent, intellectual, skeptical, cynical, depressed, world-weary, God-doubting title character in some ways sounds like she could be living in 2018 — if the eloquent language used in Sand’s philosophical book were more casual and not densely rich like a lot of 19th-century prose was. Lelia is not always an easy book to read, but you’ll rarely see better writing than penned by Sand.
Anne Elliot of Jane Austen’s Persuasion (1818) is another strong heroine. The capable Anne is in love with Captain Frederick Wentworth, but lives a very useful life even as the relationship between her and Wentworth is thwarted for years.
The star of Charlotte Bronte’s Jane Eyre (1847) has strong feminist leanings that come out in various ways — including her pride in being smart, her need to work, and her insistence that she be an equal in marriage.
Helen in Anne Bronte’s The Tenant of Wildfell Hall (1848) courageously leaves her abusive/alcoholic husband to save both her son and her own self-worth. It’s a novel so feminist that Anne’s not-quite-as-feminist sister Charlotte unfortunately helped prevent wider distribution of it after Anne’s death.
Of course, some of the 19th century’s male critics and readers slammed works that dared depict women as equal to men. Undoubtedly one of the reasons fewer women back then tried to write novels — and a number of those who did write them used male or gender-neutral aliases.
Another author with a George pseudonym, George Eliot (born Mary Ann Evans), created a number of strong women — including lay preacher Dinah Morris of Adam Bede (1859). And Eliot lamented the second-class citizenry of female characters in novels such as The Mill on the Floss (1860), in which Maggie Tulliver’s less-brainy brother is treated much better than her by their parents and society as a whole.
Jo March, who thirsts to be a writer, is another non-stereotypical 19th-century female — in Louisa May Alcott’s 1869 novel Little Women.
And Kate Chopin’s The Awakening (1899) depicts Edna Pontellier’s memorable rebellion against her constricted role as a wife and mother.
Can 1900 be considered the last year of the 19th century? If so, Colette’s Claudine at School belongs in this discussion with its assertive, mischievous, hilarious protagonist.
Some male novelists of the 1800s also created female protagonists who didn’t act like stereotypical women of their time. Examples include Jeanie Deans in Sir Walter Scott’s The Heart of Midlothian (1818), Judith Hutter of James Fenimore Cooper’s The Deerslayer (1841), Becky Sharp of William Thackeray’s Vanity Fair (1847), Hester Prynne of Nathaniel Hawthorne’s The Scarlet Letter (1850), Marian Halcombe of Wilkie Collins’ The Woman in White (1859), the title character in Thomas Hardy’s The Hand of Ethelberta (1876), journalist Henrietta Stackpole in Henry James’ The Portrait of a Lady (1881), and the martyred protagonist in Mark Twain’s historical novel Personal Recollections of Joan of Arc (1896).
Of course, there were also strong women in pre-1800s novels, with just two examples being the very different stars of Daniel Defoe’s Moll Flanders (1722) and Frances Burney’s Evelina (1778). Moll has a tougher exterior than Evelina, but the latter protagonist also has lots of inner strength.
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I’ve never read Sir Walter Scott’s historical novel “Ivanhoe” but from reading synopsis of the novel Rebecca seemed to be a strong, courageous, but also compassionate female character. It must have been unusual to have a heroic Jewish character in early 19th Century European fiction.
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“Ivanhoe” is a really compelling novel, and Rebecca is indeed a positive, non-stereotyped Jewish character. (Her father in the book is more problematic.) Perhaps the best depiction of Jewish characters in 19th-century fiction is by George Eliot in “Daniel Deronda.”
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Unfortunately, soon you probably won’t find such books available at your local library. Some countries have become obsessed with putting women back into the place they held them for hundreds of years. The few rights that women managed to accrue over time are being stolen at a rapid pace and where are the men standing beside them? No. for the most part, they are the thieves.
“No man can be truly free whose liberty is dependent upon the thought, feeling and action of others, and who has himself no means in his own hands for guarding, protecting, defending and maintaining that liberty”. – Frederick Douglass
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Thank you for the comment, Léa!
There is indeed a disturbing regression in women’s rights in a number of countries — with the United States far from immune with its far-right Supreme Court, far-right Republican Party, and a Democratic Party that’s better than the Republicans yet has some reactionary elements, too. 😦
Great quote from Frederick Douglass!
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Yes. I watch with great saddness and concern for those I left behind. Additionally, I am increasingly grateful to be where I am.
Frederick Douglass was an amazing man. 🙂
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Yes, leaving the U.S. can be a wise decision. And Frederick Douglass is among humankind’s true heroes — people who fought/fight against injustice.
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Okay Dave!
I’ve decided to read the George Sand novel you have mentioned here, “Lelia” .
I have read the Brontes’ books, Louisa May Alcott, Jane Austin….. now you have me pushing past women, and into Black, Asian and other women not from European descent.
What do you have to suggest here?
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Thank you, Resa!
“Lelia” has some of the best writing I’ve seen in a 19th-century novel. I’d be very interested to hear what you think of the book!
Your question is a wide one. 🙂 Not from the 19th century, but I like almost anything by South American-born Isabel Allende as well as India-based author Arundhati Roy’s “The God of Small Things” and Nigerian-born Buchi Emecheta’s “Second Class Citizen,” to name a few off the top of my head. Plenty of depressing moments in those novels, but compelling.
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Dave, I would say Bela Mitra, a strong female character in Jhumpa Lahiri’s ” The Lowland” .is the biological daughter of Udayan and Gauri, though she is raised in Rhode Island by Gauri and Subhash.
Gouri moved to the States to advance her studies, and stayed with her Brother in law. Subhash,,
Bela grew up knowing Subhash was her father. Then one day Gouri let her five year old daughter, by herself, to advance herself with an unknown address.
Bela is politically-minded, socially conscious, and fiercely independent
Subhash is so overwhelmed by the ways in which Bela is unknowingly repeating her own history that he reveals the truth of her parentage.
Though shocked at the news, Bela reminds Subhash that it is he who is her true father, displaying the loyalty and gratitude she has felt toward him all along.
The ending was my favorite part of the book when her Biological Mother Gouri came to visit Bela.
The way Bela set her straight is the best part of the book.
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Thank you, bebe!
GREAT example of a strong women character. Bela is very impressive. And I agree that that was an amazing scene in which she tells off her mother — who had at least some admirable qualities but seemed to be missing the being-a-decent/responsible-parent gene. 😦
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Happy Thanksgiving, Dave!
Happy Thanksgiving to all on site!
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Thank you, jhNY! Happy Thanksgiving to you, too!
And, as you note, Happy Thanksgiving to all who read this blog and comment on it. 🙂
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What was your vegan meal Dave ?
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Faux turkey, stuffing, potatoes, vegetarian dumplings, salad, and eggplant with garlic, bebe. (It was a Chinese vegan place, about a half-mile from my apartment. 🙂 ) What did you have for Thanksgiving?
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Again, no one likes Turkey.
My Nieces Husband`s Uncle passed, so until the crenony he is vegan.
So nothing traditional plain rice, salads, cauliflower, Borocolini with potato and eggplant.
and salmon for the rest.
Niece`s Husband is an expert on potato, with poppy seeds , awesome and i`ll get the recipe. in mustard ol.
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Turkey is definitely overrated (it was my least-favorite part of the Thanksgiving meal when I used to eat meat). Your Thanksgiving menu sounds terrific! Including that amazing potato recipe. 🙂
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I`ll get the recipe and post to you and Jack !
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Thank you, bebe! 🙂
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Dave, In your 2018 post on “Strong Female Characters in 19th Century Fiction” I mentioned Margaret Hale from the novel “North and South”. She tends to be just as strong but more conventionally virtuous than Hardy’s heroines. The most interesting thing about this novel is that it probably has one of the first descriptions of a labor strike in fiction (I have not done any research in this area so I don’t know definitely).
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Thank you, Tony!
I’m hoping that my local library will have “North and South” during my next visit or two. Very interested in reading it.
And fascinating to hear that a labor strike is depicted in it. Must indeed been one of the earlier mentions of such an action in a novel. The earliest one I can think of, off the top of my head, is the mining strike in Emile Zola’s riveting 1885 novel “Germinal.”
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Interesting post. Maybe you have some really great key words that people search for.
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Thank you, Sheila!
I’m sure you’re right — “women in fiction,” “feminism in literature,” “19th-century novels,” that sort of thing…
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Dave besides the comentatore, you do have a big group of ffollowers who never comments but reads.
As we know that well.
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Thank you, bebe! That’s true. 🙂 Very grateful for that. 🙂
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Dave, that is a great and informative post and I’m not surprised it is getting constant viewings – deservedly so!
I have a post, also from 2018, that seems popular for viewings which features Ely Cathedral’s Museum of Stained Glass Windows. I think the unusual topic, history going back hundreds of years as well as beautiful colourful windows help to make this popular.
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Thank you, Annika!
I appreciate the kind words about that 2018 post. 🙂 And your post from the same year does seem VERY deserving of its continuing popularity, on both a written and visual level. I’m going to head over now to take a look at it.
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Just read the post. Excellent! Left this comment:
“Annika, the images and your descriptions are SO interesting. There is much more stained-glass-window variety (in subject, style, and when created) than I had realized!”
For others who’d like to see the post, it’s at https://annikaperry.com/2018/02/04/an-illuminating-art/
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Dave, thank you so much for popping over and your great comment!
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You’re very welcome, Annika, and thank you, too!
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Some of Thomas Hardy’s female protagonists such as Bathsheba Everdene “Far from the Madding Crowd” and Eustacia Vye “The Return of the Native” are strong, independent characters even if they were written as being flawed especially in the case of Eustacia.
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Thank you, Tony!
I agree that Thomas Hardy created some strong women characters — including the two you named, along with others such as Ethelberta (mentioned in my post). And flawed characters, whether female or male, resonate because they feel more real.
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I have never heard of the Hardy novel “The Hand of Ethelberta” much less read it, I had to look it up in Wikipedia, it must be one of Hardy’s lesser known works.
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Definitely lesser known. A blog commenter recommended it to me a few years ago. Not a great novel, but a very good one — and the titular protagonist is one of the most resourceful women I’ve seen in a 19th-century novel.
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I started reading this novel on the web, it seems more like what is considered a drawing room comedy than like a typical Hardy novel.
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Definitely more comedic than much of his other work, though still some intense moments.
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I can see why a post like that would get a lot of hits! 🙂 🙂 It’s been nice for me to see so many people taking an interest in women’s contributions (many of them overlooked or forgotten) not only to literature but also the world at large. And I know what you mean about posts that just keep getting hits. The one I wrote about the spring at Andersonville gets new hits every single week, even though I wrote it a couple years ago already! My ghost story ones also get pretty frequent hits, but I know ghosts are a fascinating subject for a lot of people.
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Thank you, M.B.!
I’m very glad there’s so much interest in women authors and women characters.
I can understand why your Andersonville post keeps racking up viewers. A powerful piece — as are all your posts relating to military history. And, yes, ghost stories have such appeal. Perhaps because they can be scary but the reader is not in danger. 🙂
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Hi Dave,
This post is timely for me. Last week I read your original post on JK Rowling’s unsavory views and thought I’d like to comment but didn’t, given it was pretty old, and it seemed out of place to do so. I think some blogs do have staying power.
From my blog, the post that seems to get the ongoing drip of visitors is “We Hear When We’re Ready”. https://190days.com/2021/07/21/we-hear-when-were-ready/
I have no idea why. It doesn’t have the most likes or engagement, but from a monthly visitor perspective it seems to perform.
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Thank you, Donna!
I just read the post of yours you linked to and can see why it has enduring appeal — not noticing things (or not remembering things) is so universal. Interesting how children can at times be oblivious to things until they suddenly become…un-oblivious. Plus the post is very well-written, with a nice measure of humor. 🙂
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I started out as a smoking blog when I gave up smoking and this part of my blog, the first year (2014 – 2015) is still to this day the most read part of my blog. You are right, some posts have saying power, while others, the ones I thought were worth reading, are basically ignored. 🙂
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Thank you, nonsmokingladybug!
I can see how discussing smoking/stopping smoking would attract a lot of attention. A very important topic. Then, as attention on that topic continued, you followed that with all kinds of other interesting topics over the years.
I also started my WordPress blog in 2014. 🙂
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Good Morning Dave….June 3 2018 blog
bebe
JUNE 10, 2018 AT 5:04 PM
Not to change the topic Dave, where is that powerful Woman of today, who could get the American Scoundrel out of the office ?
Who is she ?
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Bill Tammeus
JUNE 3, 2018 AT 5:49 PM
The real question for us this coming week, Dave, is whether any 19th Century strong women lived in Cincinnati. See you there.
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Bill Tammeus
JUNE 3, 2018 AT 5:49 PM
The real question for us this coming week, Dave, is whether any 19th Century strong women lived in Cincinnati. See you there.
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Thank you, bebe, for those “reprints” of comments from under the 6-3-2018 blog post. Yes, at the time, I was about to fly to Cincinnati for a National Society of Newspaper Columnists conference. It was a great meeting, as NSNC conferences always are. And it was nice seeing Cincinnati for the first time, though I’m sorry we didn’t get a chance to meet. Those conferences can be all-consuming.
Strong female politicians in the U.S. who I admire greatly include Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Rashida Tlaib, Ilhan Omar, and Cori Bush, among others. Not sure how powerful they are, but I hope they’ll continue to have at least some clout.
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Dave as I was looking into the blog, so many excellent posters don’t come anomore.
But you have an excellent ensemble in here these days
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You’re right, bebe. Some of the great 2018 commenters — including yourself — are still commenting in 2021 while some others are not. Many great new commenters now, too, as you allude to. Things always change… 🙂 😦
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How may years Dave in WP, I was congratulated by WP in another blog as you know for completing 8 years.
Thought you started around then ?
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You’re right, bebe. I started this WP blog in mid-2014. 🙂 (Kept the P but lost the H. 🙂 )
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Excellent decision Dave as I joined immediately but sill looking around my shoulders. As you know what I am talking about.
Feeling safe in both the places , I mean the R factor in W 😆
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Ha, bebe! 🙂 A certain site declared WaR on bloggers and commenters. 🙂
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Hi Dave, I have waxed very lyrical in my comments above about the role of sexism in books and modern lifestyles. I just wanted to add here that I have no idea which of my posts endure and which don’t. When I post them, I have a general idea about how they perform from likes and comments. I write c. 5 posts a week, three on Roberta Writes and two on my art/baking/poetry blog. I have never checked the stats page in all my years of blogging. It would make no real difference to me as I blog for about my own inspirations and thoughts and I hope people benefit from them, but I can let it go if they don’t.
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Thank you, Robbie, for those insights into your blogging approach and process!
I totally hear you re blogging about your “own inspirations and thoughts.” I also blog about what I want to blog about — even if it’s in some instances a topic that might get fewer viewers than other topics. After all, they’re OUR blogs. 🙂 But of course it’s gratifying when readers enjoy the posts and perhaps get some insights and/or information out of them.
Five posts a week is very impressive!
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Thank you, Dave, it is lovely when others read and appreciate our posts. They are our blogs and an insight into our loves and lives.
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Wonderfully said, Robbie!
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I think this post –and it is great to see it again– would be interesting because it is exactly the time you describe, a time where women writers emerged, and male authors created female characters who as you say broke the mould and we’ve all got great favorites in that respect.
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Thank you, Shehanne!
The 1800s were indeed a great, formative time for literature — and women authors and women characters were a huge part of that. It’s impressive what was created in that century under the constraints of such a male-dominated world.
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The strong female character in a 19th-century novel who immediately comes to mind is Emma Bovary–not in the sense of a person with strength of character and intestinal fortitude, but from the perspective of being a fully-formed, three-dimensional character.
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Thank you, Liz!
Very well stated. A flawed character who’s believable is a great literary creation, and Emma Bovary is certainly an excellent example of that.
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You’re welcome, Dave!
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🙂
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Do you know, I was thinking of ehr when I reread this blog and she was something else. As you say she was not someone with huge strength of character but she was wonderfully flawed and what interested me about this type of ‘creation’ and what I was coming back to say here is that there must been plenty women he based her on ‘at that time’. I guess that finally they were being written about.
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Great observations, Shehanne! Re your last point, it makes one curious which real-life women Flaubert knew or knew of. (I’ve never read a biography of him.)
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I’ve never read one either but I found an old blog post I wrote about the lot of women in Regency times cos i knew there was something about George Sand rattling about in my head and it was the fact that apparently originally when she took the name George and dressed a a man it was because she she wanted to go to the theatre and could only afford the cheap seats where women were forbidden. She couldn’t live with her husband any more and he had cut her allowance, Being a Scot I’ve always been interested in women asserting themselves. The Picts, the Celts and the Vikings gave women far more power than their southern counterparts.
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Wow, Shehanne — George Sand sounds so gutsy and impressive, and so ahead of her time! I’d like to read a biography of HER.
Yes, some cultures were/are clearly better with gender equality than others.
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I have often seen a sort of north/south divide that way. The Romans when they came here were appalled at the power women had. There’s a wonderful story… prob folk lore but interesting re the Picts. People are not entirely sure where they came from and this piece claims it was Russia and they sailed all the way to Ireland and to get rid of them the far off shore of Scotland was pointed out. So they agreed to go but demanded women because they had none with them. So they got women but only on condition that these women ruled, end of. Anyway, George Sand was very well thought as writer and a woman by some of the top writers at the time. I read a book of letters between her and Chopin years ago. I’ll stick the link to the post about the women at that time here. I’d forgotten I’d written for a guest blog till I re read your one. No trouble at all if you pass. It’s a Man’s World. The lot of women in later Regency times. https://shehannemoore.wordpress.com/2017/06/02/its-a-mans-world-the-lot-of-women-in-later-regency-times/ via @ShehanneMoore
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First of all, Shehanne, your post you linked to is GREAT — as is the excerpt from your novel that’s part of it. Women dressing as men back in the day in some cases was indeed resourceful and necessary. Isabel Allende is another author who depicted that well in the 19th-century-set “Daughter of Fortune,” to name just one novel with an admirable cross-dressing woman.
And there has indeed historically been sort of a North/South divide when it comes to gender equality (though there are of course various exceptions). I wonder why things played out that way geographically…
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I don’t know. It would be wonderful to go back and observe!! And I only thought about it in connection with some of the towering historical women we have here and historical incident where if you wanted a mob to cause a riot, you got women. .But then I found out re the Vikings when I was researching for one particular book and some of the other northern ‘cultures.’ I had forgotten the Allende novel when I was writing that post, I was just trying to get resourceful cross dressing ladies in literature and in life who were portrayed in literature and like that I was in a hurry. But yes, it is another and an excellent example. I always found George Sand quite interesting because she was kind of depicted as this femme fatal, who quite broke his heart and never even bothered to turn up to his funeral. And Chopin is an absolute favorite of mine. But I am sure there was something in that book of their letters re a final letter turning up in some mail sack somewhere as in it was never received. But you read all this backstory of hers and it paints a very different picture. I am glad you enjoyed the post. Thank you so very much for reading. Again it’s always interested me how women got round a few rules that way and why. And thank you for your too kind comment. Truly.
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You’re very welcome! The strength, courage, and resilience of some 19th-century women is a thing to behold. Another George, too — George Eliot — was also quite an independent thinker and of course had a very non-traditional romantic relationship for her time.
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She did indeed. Mary Wollstonecraft who was before that time, she certainly kept herself busy shall we say! Seriously another one who did her thing. And so did Mary Shelley. Certainly when she was young. I gather that when she was older she was far more reactionary. But all fascinating.
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Yes, Shehanne, the two Mary’s were amazing — both indeed with impressive “before their time” views and accomplishments. (I didn’t realize Mary Shelley turned more conservative later in life.)
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Yeah she did But then you saw all she’d lived through and all she’d lost and I think it’s possible to see why.
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Yes. 😦 Didn’t three of her four children die? And of course her husband died at a young age. All that horrific tragedy would do a number on anyone.
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Well.. I often wonder if the key to a lot of this was Percy. I mean you look at them all as writers etc and the way they lived, often high on booze and drugs and how they blazed comets across skies but equally while Byron got the name for being the kind of biggest mess, I have never been able to stop wondering if it was Percy. (Sure there’s a blog post in there somewhere .) I gather from various papers etc by the time he died, it was over between them.
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Yes, Percy Bysshe Shelley lived one of those short, “burn the candles at both ends” lives. I didn’t know his and Mary’s marriage was on the rocks, but totally not surprised.
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Well, it sounded like a fine mess by the end. She was apparently ‘depressed, suicidal and hostile towards him.’ He was having various affairs. I think the list went on re his drug taking and hallucinations and dreams about strangling her. Sounds like a real blast…..
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Ugh. Amazing that Mary made it to 1851. But she did some great writing after Percy died.
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She sure did! Good on her I say! Lol
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Yes!
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I think you’re right. The whole time I was reading the book, I just wanted to shake her. No, no, no, Emma! Don’t do it; this is not going to end well!
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And you were right!
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Unfortunately . . .
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Liz, what a vivid reading experience that is — wanting a character to not do something but they do it anyway. One needs a “Prose Portal” (a la author Jasper Fforde) to literally enter a novel and give the character a word. 🙂
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I looked up this “Prose Portal.” It’s all very confusing, although the concept itself makes sense.
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Yes, Liz, a bit confusing and a bit weird. 🙂 I “encountered” the “Prose Portal” in Fforde’s novel “The Eyre Affair,” where the detective character — among other things — entered the pages of “Jane Eyre.”
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I think I’ll pass on the Portal. 😉
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Ha! 🙂 (And nice alliteration!)
Maybe it’s better visiting Rochester, Vermont, than Edward Rochester… 🙂
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You can also skip visiting Rochester, New Hampshire. A lot of drug activity there.
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Yikes! Sorry to hear that.
We stayed in Rochester, Vermont, during a 1990s vacation. A nice small town.
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Yes, the two are very different!
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In all but name… 🙂 😦
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Exactly. 🙂
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Hi Dave, great to see this post thank you. Can I please put in a bid for the magnificent Margaret Hale, from Gaskell’s North and South. She is absolutely my favourite strong 19th century literary heroine (well, so far anyway – I haven’t yet read all the books haha!).
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Thank you, Liz!
I definitely would like to read “North and South,” and your enthusiasm for the Margaret Hale character is a big reason for that. So far, the only Gaskell work I’ve gotten to is her “Cranford” novel.
“I haven’t yet read all the books” — great quip! 😂 Ain’t that the truth for all of us literature fans. 🙂 😦
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Dave – an excellent post and I imagine that this discussion will be excellent so I will come back again. This post has come at a serendipitous time for me as I am considering how writing has changed over the centuries influenced by societal factors. This came to my mind as I finished the #KaramazovReadalong. What I discovered was very interesting especially as it related to strong female characters and writers. Your wrote: “Of course, some of the 19th century’s male critics and readers slammed works that dared depict women as equal to men. Undoubtedly one of the reasons fewer women back then tried to write novels — and a number of those who did write them used male or gender-neutral aliases.” This is from one of the articles that I read from the Smithsonian Magazine that speaks to your thought:
“The Transformation of Gender in English-Language Fiction,” published this week in the journal Cultural Analytics, analyzed the presentation of gender in more than 100,000 novels, finding a paradox when it came to novels of the 20th century: as the rigid gender roles seemed to dissipate, indicating more equality between the sexes, the number of women characters— and proportion of women authors—decreased….The first novels to use modern English were viewed more as entertainment and less as a legitimate literary endeavor. But “as the novel becomes more and more respectable,” says Jarvis, “it becomes less associated with female authorship.” In other words: men got in on writing novels when it started to look like a “serious” pursuit.”https://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/what-big-data-can-tell-us-about-women-and-novels-180968153/
You always give me something to think about!! Many thanks!
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Thank you, Rebecca!
Depressingly fascinating to hear that the proportion of female authors and characters decreased — at least for a while — when novels started being considered more as literary endeavors than “just” entertainment. Sexism rears its ugly head in various ways. 😦 I wonder if that trend started to reverse itself at some point later in the 20th century. Hope so.
You find so many interesting facts and links!
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I am a great believer in realignment. I believe that this trend is reversing as we become more open to diversity and inclusion. I find looking back into history essential for when I understand what was, I can seek a better way forward. You give me so many interesting things to research, Dave!!!
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Nice, Rebecca, when at least some things trend positive.
And, yes, learning from history is invaluable when one’s mind is open to it.
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Hi Dave, as per my comment above, I like to take the positive road on this change and attribute it to a change in societal issues and less sexism against women. If its not topical, it’s not an interesting writing theme. I think women have made excellent progress in the equality arena. I also note that when given a choice, many women step back in their careers in order to nurture their children. In other words, many women, like me, make a deliberate decision not to pursue the top posts in their field of work, but rather to have a balanced work and family life. You cannot have your cake and eat it too, unfortunately.
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Thank you, Robbie!
I agree that there has been much progress in gender equality — certainly since the 1800s — even as there has been some backsliding in some cases and some countries.
And it’s indeed true that a number of women choose the work (and it’s of course work in addition to giving much joy) of raising children over career or full-time career, at least for a certain amount of time. Some men, too; I’ve been the stay-at-home parent for my younger daughter since her adoption came through in 2009, while still freelancing. Fortunately for my wife, her professor job has rarely involved traveling to her college five days a week, especially since COVID began.
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Hi Dave, it is lovely that you have been able to do that for your daughter. There are some men who play a very big role in the upbringing of their children. I am thinking more of women who want limit their work activities and responsibilities so that they can spend more time with their children. Some women can’t, of course, because they are the sole earner in a household or the breadwinner.
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Absolutely, Robbie. Women, more often than men, are the ones adjusting career expectations to care for children. And, yes, single/divorced/widowed mothers have to “do it all.” My mother was in that situation during my teen years.
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“as the rigid gender roles seemed to dissipate, indicating more equality between the sexes, the number of women characters— and proportion of women authors—decreased…” This is a most interesting discussion point, Rebecca. Here are my thoughts about it: The novels that have endured generally have a common trait in that they contain a strong point of view about a perceived social issue. In the past, gender inequality has been a significant social issue and many people, male and female, wrote about it. Some of the books in Dave’s article are the products of this thought process. In our more modern times, there is a lot more equality between the sexes and so the social issues have evolved. Modern writers write about racism, LBGTQ issues, climate change, and disingenuous governments. Men and women are affected by, and have strong feeling about, these topics equally. Thus, in my opinion, it would be reasonable to see a change in the themes of great books and a shift in the authorships of books. There are also many more authors that we are exposed to from different backgrounds and cultures than a 100 years ago. A benefit of modern technology.
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Many excellent points, Robbie!
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Indeed, an excellent benefit. As well, more people have the technology to self-publish which allows the rich experience of storytelling to endure. I know that you and Dave will appreciate this article from the Guardian by MA Sighart. Something to consider:
“Margaret Atwood, a writer who should be on the bookshelves of anyone who cares about literary fiction, has a readership that is only 21% male. Male fellow Booker prize winners Julian Barnes and Yann Martel have nearly twice as many (39% and 40%)’
https://amp.theguardian.com/books/2021/jul/09/why-do-so-few-men-read-books-by-women
Thank you Robbie for your thoughtful comments and thank you Dave for providing a brilliant venue for our discussions.
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Thank you, Rebecca, for the kind words and that depressing/eye-opening link. I knew there was some reluctance on the part of male readers to read books by women, but I didn’t realize how bad the statistics were. What a shame that many men haven’t experienced novels by Margaret Atwood, Toni Morrison, Liane Moriarty, George Eliot, Jane Austen, etc., etc. They are missing so much insight into women’s psyches, great stories, excellent entertainment, and more — and missing the opportunity to be spared some machismo and misogyny. I would guess that about 60% of the novels I read are by women.
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This would be an excellent podcast, Dave – will consider some questions for you. Robbie – would you like to join us on TTT? I still need to do more research on why. There is something more to this question and I haven’t figured it out yet! Hmmm….I do love being on a research treasure hunt….
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That’s a TERRIFIC idea for a podcast, Rebecca! Of course, if you’d want to feature only a woman guest/women guests on it, that’s fine with me. But if you’d like a male to participate, I’m game. 🙂
A relevant recent post:
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You are ALWAYS invited. We have the BEST conversations. Thank you for your amazing generosity in sharing your ideas, knowledge and the best ever “wisdom.” When you have Misty as your philosopher in residence, you have added insight! Lucky you!
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Thanks so much, Rebecca. 🙂 Misty the cat raises everyone’s IQ (Interspecies Quotient). 🙂
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Hi Rebecca, I read the link you posted with interest. I haven’t thought about it at length but I think that it would be appropriate to consider the male and female readership statistics within genres. I think you have to compare apples with apples for this sort of exercise. I would be interested to see how, for example, Patricia Cornwall’s readership compared to Lee Child’s or John Grisham’s. I don’t know many male writers of romance, but it would be interesting to see if a romance written by a man drew a higher number of male readers than a female romance author. An interesting idea and one that would need research in order to draw meaningful conclusions. PS, I read anything and everything that interests me regardless of genre, however, as there are more war books written by men than women, I read more books written by males.
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I agree, Robbie – there is a great deal of research that would be needed in this area of enquiry. I just read Deafening by Frances Itani, a Canadian author that centers her story on WWI – I think you would enjoy this book, which brings in the perspective of deafness that was a result of scarlet fever. https://www.amazon.ca/Deafening-Frances-Itani/dp/000639261X. I just found a very interesting article from 2014 on Goodreads (a little dated, but I still think relevant) on gender/reader preference. The comments are very interesting – a great debate. https://www.goodreads.com/blog/show/475-sex-and-reading-a-look-at-who-s-reading-whom
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Hi Rebecca, thank you for this additional link. I know I read more books written by men. A Ghost and His Gold has had a pretty even split of readers between male and female. The men like the topic of the Second Anglo Boer War. Thanks for the link to the book too, it looks very interesting. Have a great weekend.
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Hi Rebecca, thank you for this link, I shall read this article. Maybe men prefer the writing style of other men. Certainly, the men in my life use words differently to me and share a lot fewer too. Maybe genre also makes a difference. It would be interesting to see whether more women than men read Hemingway, given his penchant for internal reflection and emotional love stories that end badly. I shall have to look it up.
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The topic of your post “Strong Female Characters in 19th-Century Fiction” seems to me highly challenging, Dave, and I am not suprised that it is so also for many others!:) I will read it as soon as possible! Personally, I do not usually count the numbers of my readers, but I shall maybe do it for once. In the meantime I have to think, if I can think of another famous woman not named by your! Many thanks for this very special post!
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Thank you, Martina!
That 2018 blog post definitely drew some interest, though I’m sure I left out a number of important authors and characters. I hope you enjoy it when you read it. 🙂
I look at my blog’s statistics once or twice a day. I’m curious which posts are more interesting to people than other posts. 🙂
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Good morning, Dave and thanks for your answer. In the meantime Angela, the mother of Frank Mc Court from “Angela’s Ashes” came to my mind as a strong women!
To look at your statistics is certainly interesting to learn for the future. I keep more in touch with comments that reach my heart!
Have a good week:)
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Angela is indeed a strong woman in her way, Martina, as she deals with all kinds of stress and challenges in Frank McCourt’s memoir.
I also have much more interest in comments than in my blog’s statistics, and learn from and enjoy those comments a LOT. 🙂
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I really enjoy this comment, Dave! Many thanks and by the way I really want to reread “Lelia” by George Sand, because when I read it as a young girl I did not really understand it. Since my visit in her and Chopin’s house in Valldemossa I wanted to do that, but no I really have to!:)
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Wonderful that you visited George Sand’s house! 🙂
“Lelia” is a bit of a challenge to read, whether one is young or not. But ultimately very rewarding. And SO well-written.
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I’ve ordered it, en français naturellement!:)
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