
John Grisham and Stephen King
Many media outlets treat law enforcement positively. Among the reasons? They rely on the police for information, and they know that mostly avoiding negative coverage about law enforcement is the “safe” thing to do given that most of those in power and a significant percentage of the public have positive views of the police.
Of course, law-enforcement people deserve admiration to an extent, but there are too many instances of cops being untruthful, corrupt, racist, far right in ideology, guilty of using excessive force, etc. Interestingly, a number of novelists haven’t hesitated to take a warts-and-all approach when law enforcement is part of some of their books.
I was struck by this when just reading John Grisham’s page-turning Rogue Lawyer, which is chock-full of police misbehavior that will make your blood boil. The 2015 novel offers some wish-fulfillment of law enforcement not totally getting away with dismaying deeds (justice that rarely happens in real life) yet there is not always punishment in Grisham’s book.
In the early pages of another recent novel, Angie Thomas’ 2017-published The Hate U Give, a white police officer needlessly shoots an unarmed young black male who’s a childhood friend of the book’s teen protagonist Starr Carter. The rest of the excellent novel explores the impact and aftermath of that awful murder.
During the 1990s, among the novels that were no fan of some law-enforcement people were Arundhati Roy’s The God of Small Things, with its very likable “Untouchable” character Velutha being savagely beaten by police; and Stephen King’s Rose Madder, in which Rose’s policeman husband Norman Daniels is viciously abusive to her. King’s 2002 novel From a Buick 8 takes a more positive view of law-enforcement officers.
In the back story of James Baldwin’s 1953 classic Go Tell it On the Mountain, we learn that the biological father of young African-American protagonist John Grimes was brutally beaten by racist police after being wrongfully arrested for stealing and refusing to confess to a crime he didn’t commit.
Les Miserables? Grimly obsessed Inspector Javert doesn’t exactly leave Jean Valjean alone in Victor Hugo’s 1862 novel.
Of course, detectives are frequently the heroes or heroines (albeit often flawed ones) in crime novels. But they tend to be lone-wolf private investigators or amateur sleuths rather than directly aligned with the police. Among the many examples of those characters are Agatha Christie’s Miss Marple and Hercule Poirot, Arthur Conan Doyle’s Sherlock Holmes, Raymond Chandler’s Philip Marlowe, Dashiell Hammett’s Sam Spade, Dorothy L. Sayers’ Lord Peter Wimsey and Harriet Vane, Walter Mosley’s Easy Rawlins, Sue Grafton’s Kinsey Millhone, Carolyn Keene’s Nancy Drew, and Lee Child’s former military police guy Jack Reacher. (Reacher is not a detective per se but is certainly great at investigating things.)
Any literary works you’d like to mention that fit this theme?
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Mrs. Pollifax. Like Mrs. Marple, only she travels. Also, I have seen cases on TV where the case was very, even to my untrained eye, VERY obviously a homicide classified as suicide because the cops were to lazy to investigate. Grrrrr………..
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Thank you, Maggie! I love the Mrs. Pollifax character and the two books I’ve read with her starring in them. And, yes, whether due to laziness or incompetence or lack of interest, it’s terrible how many cases are botched by law enforcement. Including not doing anything about people who eventually commit gun massacres (such as the one in Buffalo) when there are so many warning signs in plain view.
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Urgh, they hardly EVER solve cases! It is infuriating! I saw a broadcast where they kept a guy on death row for a DECADE, and there was a guy who confessed to the murder!
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Ugh indeed. 😦 Their solving-cases percentage is definitely small. Ignoring evidence (as you note) and frequent racism and sexism are in the mix as well.
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Law inforcement has, to quote a Dilbert book, fallen behind the incompetence line.
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That’s well stated, Maggie!
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Thank you! The quote is from The Dilbert Future, a book I normally wouldn’t be interested in, but I wanted to see why he thought the future wouldn’t be like Star Trek.
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You’re welcome, Maggie! I used to write about comic strips — including “Dilbert” — and knew “Dilbert” cartoonist Scott Adams. Pretty funny guy, but unfortunately his politics turned very right wing in recent years. He certainly could see the dismaying nature of corporate culture, though.
I love the (at least partly) humane and optimistic future envisioned in the various “Star Trek” TV series and movies. Perhaps unrealistic, but heartening.
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you know/knew Scott Adams?!
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Yes. 🙂 When I was covering cartoonists, I’d interview him on the phone here and there and see him at meetings.
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Interesting…..I didn’t know you could phone him. I always thought he had is Bozo Filter on……hmmm……….
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No offense. In one of his books he said he wished he had a Bozo Filter so people would stop calling and telling him the same company story over and over.
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Ha! 🙂 I guess my calls were different than some because I wasn’t telling company stories but rather asking him informed questions because I knew about cartooning (and have been a cartoonist myself). 🙂
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You were a cartoonist?! Got any pointers for a beginner, like Noses 101?
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A freelance cartoonist who was not super successful, but I sold some cartoons here and there. And I still post them almost every week on my Facebook page. Not sure I can give much drawing advice to anyone except to cultivate your own style and draw a LOT. I got better by doing that. Even with basic noses. 🙂
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Really?! I’ll try. By now my handwriting resembles comic sans font!
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That’s colorfully described. 🙂
The best of luck with your cartooning!
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Dave…read The God of Small Things received stellar reviews in major American newspapers such as The New York Times
So I decided to read the book, Arundhati. Roy’s debut novel . It was a story of sad and bitter souls of miserable people. In the World there are sad people who become healing sould trying to change the World, but not in this book.
In this one Baby Kochama became a bitter soul decided to ruin other peoples lives.
One sad book altogether, that was the only book I read of Roy. !
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Have not read any of Stephen King `s book of creepiness as I have heard, but have seen the movie Misery. But like his political views.
John Grisham is another story, I have read most of his thrillers .
Rogue Lawyer`s police misbehavior would make one`s blood boil.
BUT then there’s the one thriller The Racketeer,where Malcolm Bannister is an African American attorney in a small-town, who was wrongfully sent to Prison for the crime he never committed.
Oh what a book, but Mr. Grisham was so hungover on Denzel Washington, the movie was never made.
Now there are so many excellent Black actors ( not Will Smith, sorry Dave I couldn’t help myself) One young actor is Michael B. Jordan…awesome A list actor..
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Thank you, Bebe! I agree about “The Racketeer,” which you recommended to me. Excellent novel, and the twist toward the end is amazing — and amazingly crafted by Grisham. I hope it does get made into a movie someday, with a great/not-too-old African-American actor in the starring role.
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Dave another reason I like this young A listed actor, seen him as a teen in Soap, All My Children, When did he grew up to be an A listed actor was unknown to me.
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I’ve seen Michael B. Jordan in just a couple movies (including “Fruitvale Station”), but he does seem great! Nice that you noticed him early on!
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As I have seen him in soaps….suddently last year he was in People mag. as the sexiest man…I had no clue 🙂
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Wow — he does look young there!
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Thank you, Bebe!
“The God of Small Things” is also the only Arundhati Roy book I’ve read, and I agree that it’s VERY sad — and a terrific novel. Definitely deserved the stellar reviews you mentioned.
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Albert Campion – as he likes to be known, – though it’s hinted that he might be even posher than Wimsey.
Add Magersfontein Lugg, ex-burglar, and other criminals, ,
Prefer Lugg to Harriet Vane.
Miss Marple ? Should head every single official,inquiry, in any country, never believes what she’s been told. .
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Thank you, Esther, for those interesting mentions — two of which I wasn’t familiar with. Harriet Vane is okay, but, if I’m remembering correctly, she was more a writer than an investigator.
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Welcome to the Father Brown mysteries. If it weren’t for the quick thinking priest, all would be lost. https://youtu.be/BfZY0tEq8iw
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Thank you, Rebecca! I love that video. Father Brown seems like a memorable character, and what a great premise for a priest to be an amateur detective!
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I forgot about him.
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You must read a Dorothy Gilman Mrs. Pollifax novel if you haven’t already! Mrs. Pollifax accidentally becomes a widowed octagenarian CIA operative. Such a fun read! There are several of them to choose from.
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Thank you, lulabelle! I read two of those novels, and loved them! She’s such a great character in a great premise — and she’s from New Jersey. 🙂
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I thought you had, but couldn’t remember.
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Ralph Ellison’s Invisble Man and James Ellroy’s La Confidential. Great post Dave. Susi
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Thank you, Susi! Two terrific mentions! “Invisible Man” is quite a novel and quite a depiction of American racism — which has always had a law-enforcement component. 😦
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I was hoping you would mention the Hate U Give. That book has stuck with me even to this day. I often find myself thinking about it and the many lessons I drew from it. Perhaps more than any other, it taught me a great deal about race and the police force. I also might mention Colson Whitehead’s newest book, “the Harlem Shuffle,” which has many police officers corrupted through bribery in the criminal underworld of Harlem.
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Thank you, M.B.! Yes, “The Hate U Give” is a powerful novel — for its social commentary, its plot, the characters, Angie Thomas’ writing style, and more. Definitely memorable.
And bribery of some police officers is indeed a problem. 😦
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You have the best topics Dave – ones that challenge us to consider our value systems. This one deals with “trust.” A quick internet search speaks to the issue of trust of public institutions, those that we hold to be accountable and for the public good. We have come a long ways since the days of The Andy Griffith Show. As you know, 2022 is my year for reading books that fall outside my usual range of reading. So far, It has been a wonderful year of reading:
1) Tarquin Hall’s “The Case of the Reincarnated Client.” (I just downloaded The Case of the Deadly Butter Chicken)
2) Lawrence Blocks’s “The Burglar Who Studied Spinoza.” (The name Spinoza was a draw)
3) Ann Cleeves “Raven Black” – this is part of the Shetland Series. I also want to read Ann Cleeves “Vera Series.” I have watched the TV adaptations of both and I am compelled to read her books. Brenda Blethyn is a fantastic Vera. I have read that Ann Cleaves is involved in the productions! https://youtu.be/lBUlwGAtAJ0
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Shetland is an excellent series.
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And in the last one it left him facing an investigation for misconduct I think many would not consider that.
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Thank you, Rebecca! 🙂
Astute mention of trust. When those in power, including the police, abuse that, it’s disheartening at minimum and disastrous at maximum. “The Andy Griffith Show” definitely depicted an idealized version of policing, in that case in a small town. If only that were true more often in real life.
I appreciate the discussions of some of your interesting and impressive 2022 reading!
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Thank you, Shehanne, for seconding the “Shetland” series enthusiasm!
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I had to share this video with you, Dave. I first found it when I was going through the daily news back in 2015. A few days later I was at our local Starbucks that is close to the Vancouver Police Department and met up with this officer, Staff Sgt. Mark Horsley and confirmed this story. I told him that this gave me great confidence in the VPD. It is called Operation Wheelchair:
This is this article: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/undercover-vancouver-police-officer-mark-horsley-uncovers-kindness-in-downtown-eastside-1.3155360
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Wow, Rebecca — that is SO heartwarming and inspiring. Thank you for the comment, video, and story link. The police, at their best, can be a force for good. And kudos to those very kind people who didn’t take advantage.
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(Spoiler alert) In Daphne du Maurier’s “Rebecca” the inspector Colonel Julyan covers up a murder to protect the reputation of Maximillian de Winter.
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Thank you, Tony! Law-enforcement cover-ups, in fiction and in real life, are unfortunately way too common. 😦
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Thank you very much for another interesting perspective of the books I love.
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Thank you for the kind comment, Luisa! Much appreciated!
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You’re most welcome, Dave !
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A couple of the comments under this topic heading are in a small way an homage to the late Philip Spitzer, literary agent, who specialized in representing literary detective fiction writers. Among his clients: James Lee Burke and Michael Connelly. And, though not a crime writer, Andre Dubus, himself a fine writer of short fiction, and father of Andre Dubus III, author of “The House of Sand and Fog”.
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Now that’s a consequential literary agent, jhNY! Thank you for mentioning him!
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Yes, he was. In fact he sent out Burke’s first book to over 100 publishers before finding him a willing one. Connelly chose Spitzer because he’s heard of his tenacity re Burke.
He was my beloved Amanda Moores’ agent too, who, after Simon and Schuster signed and then dropped her first novel “Dream Palace”, sold it to publishers Carroll and Graf– and she was entirely unknown, having nothing in print previously– so he managed to sell her book twice!
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Impressive, jhNY! He sounds like everything an author would want an agent to be.
As you know, I read Amanda’s “Dream Palace” and “Grail Nights.” She’s a terrific writer.
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What has always struck me about the amateur private detective trope is how there can so many incompetant police detectives who can’t solve any kind of case without the help of some little old lady.
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Thank you, Liz!
A great point! Almost every police detective can’t be THAT incompetent, but I guess it makes for a major contrast between them and the brilliant/quirky amateur sleuths.
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You’re welcome, Dave!
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Thank our lucky stars we have Miss Marple et al!
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Yes, merrily scampering about the crime scene contaminating (and sometimes making away with) the evidence!
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LOL, Liz! 🙂 You make a very good point there. 🙂
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Thanks, Dave! 😀
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You’re welcome, Liz!
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Miss Marple is indeed a GREAT character creation, jhNY. 🙂
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Precisely what I was thinking. Everything from kid books by Enid Blyton in which a gang of children figure out who did it while the old flatfoot is wondering what happened, to Inspectors Lestrade and Gregson in the Sherlock Holmes stories.
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Thank you, Audrey! Yes, the traditional law-enforcement types in many novels are often clueless and unimaginative. Perhaps corrupt, too.
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I’m glad I’m not the only one!
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Wonderful post and so true re how heroes of crime novels are mostly lone wolfs.A great point. I was thinking about Sam Spade, Marlowe and Rowlins on the way down the post and there they were. Maybe there’s more ‘bad’ than ‘good’ cops in literature about cos, let’s face it, it makes better reading.
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Thank you, Shehanne!
A terrific point that “bad” cops can make for more dramatic reading than “good” cops.
As for lone-wolf types, it occurred to me that I forgot to mention investigators Cormoran Strike and Robin Ellacott of J.K. Rowling’s excellent crime novels.
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I had cut the comment short cos I minded that that at the end of A
Tree Grows in Brooklyn a cop makes their futures possible by taking Katie from the cliff face that has been her life. A good cop. I couldn’t even remember his name but I could remember the names of everyone else in that book despite not reading it yesterday. So I wanted to look it up. The series I am writing just now, the heroes in both books are with the law but they have been drawn into the shady, brutal world of undercover. But they are basically not bad people. WHereas the actual guy in charge is Javert-est. To uphold the law he thinks nothing of blackmail, cohersion, murder and kidnap at one point. So I guess it is also down to the character traits.
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Shehanne, great mention of the cop in Betty Smith’s wonderful “A Tree Grows in Brooklyn.” Not exactly charismatic, like the mostly irresponsible alcoholic father in the novel, but a good man, as you say.
The series you’re now writing sounds fascinating, including the complex law-enforcement types. “To uphold the law he thinks nothing of blackmail, coercion, murder and kidnap at one point” — excellent ironic, oxymoronic line!
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yeah..cos he is upholding the law. Tree Grows is a wonderful book and yeah the father is a mess but he is charismatic as you say, so you reward him by remembering him and his name. While the poor sergeant gets the booby prize that way.
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Charisma can indeed be way overrated, but it does appeal to many people. Unfair to the good humans who are not very charismatic.
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I know but hell, that’s life!!!!
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Very true!
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Ps it was murder in the last book, kidnap in this one….. but yeah, Lol, wrong way round.
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Ha! 🙂 I’m sure that order of things has some logic. 🙂
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yeah.. One goes for broke and thens teps back BUT in defence of the law, he’ wa being told tos tep down.
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Okay, that makes sense. 🙂
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It would be a very short list indeed– examples in crime fiction in which the main protagonist is a policeman, and does not bend the rules, insist on persisting after told to move along to other matters, does not strong-arm suspects, suppress evidence, plant evidence, etc., etc.—
all of which stems from a decidedly unliberal trope: that the police cannot fight crime without resorting to sketchy, if not illegal behavior themselves, so constrained they are by overly-permissive laws and effete pols out of touch with real life on the mean streets. Against which, often bloody but never unbowed, one man stands– at odds with regulations and societal de-evolution.
This of course is pure fantasy– one need only see the lack of accountability for US police violence to see it. But as the readers of these things are likely to be as out-of-touch with those mean streets as the fictional pols, it makes for a sort of comforting experience: to be all toasty-warm in one’s bed while reading about iconoclastic lone-wolf cops with a streak of independence a mile wide going after bad guys worse than any we’ve seen on perp walks during the evening news.
I expect that a study of the history of American police fiction would show that it derived out of Wild West dime novels, which set the tone for rugged individualist lawmen in lawless cattle and mining towns, facing down anarchic cowboys and miners on benders, and the occasional gunslinger or gambler with a grudge against authority– to the delight of local shopkeepers, aspiring upright citizens and, once in print, adolescent boys with ten cents to burn.
Readers, I should know: I read these things myself, most of the time between bouts of literature. In my defense, I recognize the fiction as fiction.
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Thank you, jhNY! MANY terrific observations, vividly said! Yes, there’s the massive trope of the bend-the-rules cop in fiction doing what has to be done. Of course, in real life such a cop will often grievously harm innocent people, and “punch down” rather than “punch up” as the rich and powerful (often crooks themselves) are protected.
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Your last sentence is one big reason I like Donna Leone’s Brunetti and Andrea Camilleri’s Montalbano. The first investigates crime in Venice, the second in Sicily. Throughout their respective series, the detectives run up against corruption and entrenched criminality in high, even unreachable places– and wisely see it for what it is, and only occasionally risk lives– their own or others– or careers, in (futile) opposition. Cynical, sure, but it’s how they stay healthy.
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Interesting, jhNY. Their hearts are in the right place, but they have some self-preserving caution. In contrast, the heroine and hero (not detectives per se) of Stieg Larsson’s “The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo,” etc., are real risk-takers as they expose corruption in high places.
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Dave, you have this covered quite well.
The only books I can think of are the Perry Mason books by Erle Stanley Garner.
Okay, he was a lawyer, not a cop. He was a good guy, but could be sneaky, especially with his questioning, and telling Della what to say as to not get herself in legal trouble, while not giving the exact information.
Anyway, your last paragraph deals with “other” sleuths, and I think Perry fits in nicely.
Fab post!
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Thank you, Resa! Lawyers can definitely be investigators in a way; I see how Perry Mason has sleuth-like qualities. (“‘Isn’t it true’…that Perry Mason has sleuth-like qualities?” “Yes, it’s true.” 🙂 ) I’ve never read any of the Erle Stanley Garner books, but did see a number of “Perry Mason” TV reruns back in the day.
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Ah, the TV reruns. I’m thinking you mean the old B&W series? There were some TV movies made as well, I think in the 80’s.
There is a new prequel series. It is so dark, I couldn’t watch more than 1. However, it’s successful.
I wrote this book, years ago. It’s about an actor who is type cast as a cop/detective/sherriff/ FBI…etc.
The man becomes who he has pretended to be.
In the end he solves a mystery.
Love this topic.
I’m always keen to see what your next topic is! I have some books in mind, for when their turn comes up in your posts.
Thank you!
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Yes, it was the TV series I watched. I don’t think I ever saw any of the later TV movies Raymond Burr was in. I didn’t realize there was a new prequel series! I guess so many famous entertainment properties are remade, re-imagined, etc.
I like the idea of your book! Life imitates art!
Thank you for the kind words at the end of your comment! I hope I don’t run out of topics someday… 🙂
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It was an idea borne out of working with actors, especially type cast actors.
I don’t think you will run out of topics. How could that happen? As long as people write books, you will find topics!
Here’s some ideas: (tongue in cheek)🙃🙄
Books with characters with eye patches
Books with high heels on feet
Books with dogs
Books with cats
Books with jackals
Books where the hero eats, constantly
Books with the best covers
You may already know that I coined the classic saying – Never judge a book by its cover, unless there’s a gown on it!
Inspired by Shehanne Moore!
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Ha, Resa! 🙂 Loved your comment! Yes, ideas always seem to happen as long as I keep reading books. And, amid your serious and tongue-in-cheek suggestions, I found one I wrote about (twice) — animals in literature. 🙂
If there’s a book with a gown on the cover, it’s an instant classic…
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Ah… of course you wrote about animals in literature. I’ll have to check that out!
Here I was envisioning a cat with a sleuth hat, and magnifying glass.
If I find that in your animals topic, I’ll have to send in more topics.
Lol, the book I am turtle reading at the moment, (I am a devoted turtle reader) has a gown on the cover.
Shehanne Moore’s books should be big sellers, ere instant classics. It’s not just because of gowns on the covers. Her knowledge of the time periods is fantastic.
Obvi (as she would say) I am a huge fan.
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xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx And I am huge fan of you and your amazing talent. Youar e very kind xxxxx
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xoxoxoxoxo!!!
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Resa, one of my animals-in-lit posts:
A cat detective? I’m all for it. Purrlock Holmes and all that…
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Hahahaha!!!!!
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Lol… Just saw this one on the way down through the comments. You did indeed coin that classic saying. We must all have gowns daling! Ye cannae whack them as we say here. xxxxxxxxx
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Shehanne and Resa — you are among the many brilliant talents in the blogging community. 🙂
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I agree wholeheartedly!!!
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As are you, Rebecca! 🙂
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Indeed. Another towering talent.
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Yes!!!
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Now then Dave, I can’t speak for Resa but I think you are pretty towering yourself.
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Thank you, Shehanne! 🙂 Well, 6’2″ tall. 🙂
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Glad you wrote ‘gowns’ and not jackets, as there’d be no end to the classics I have no time to read!
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I read a couple of the Perry Mason books. I remember them as formulaic with little character development.
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Liz, I’m debating whether I should try Erle Stanley Gardner. He definitely evokes mixed reactions. Sorry his work wasn’t more enjoyable for you.
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It was more “meh” than anything.
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“Meh” is one of my favorite descriptive words. 🙂
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I am a fanatic re “Perry Mason” the teevee show– I own the series on dvd, and watch its weeknight broadcasts on cable. I have probably seen each episode literally 6 times, possibly more– and there are well over 200 hours of the show.
But only once have I encountered Erle Stanley Gardner in print, and it was long ago, in a Salvation Army used book section, and only for a few minutes. At the time, I wasn’t bowled over by the prose, but I would be happy to learn his stuff is worth a second look.
Is it? (By the way, Gardner’s papers reside at the University of TX Library in Austin, should you live close or wish to visit).
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Wow, jhNY! You are indeed a fan of the “Perry Mason” TV series! I wonder if it’s one of those rare cases where the screen adaptation is better than the original books.
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That is certainly my suspicion, but I would be happy to be wrong, adding though that might be to the TBR pile tottering dangerously overhead.
Gardner despised all screen attempts to put his Mason onscreen before the series, most ably produced by teevee pioneer Gail Patrick Jackson (She herself had a career playing stuck-up rich girls in the movies, most memorably in “My Man Godfrey.”. I’ve seen some, and Gardner was right.
An aside: both Burr and Talman, Mason and Burger respectively, had enjoyed some successes on the silver screen– as creeps and heavies almost always. That’s a transition few have made, then or now.
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OMG!
You are the biggest fan I have ever met.
I need to know:
Okay, apparently there was 1…. only 1 episode for tv ever made where Perry lost the case. There are 3 in the book series.
Trying to remember what I’d read, more than once. It aired on a Friday 13, or Hallowe’en.
Have you seen that episode?
I also read that it was never aired again,after that.
I like ESG’s writing.
For me it’s the cases and the characters.
So, before I say to you, it’s worth another read, (prose wise) I’m going to read The Case Of The Velvet Claws.
I just found where we can download all of the Perry Mason books.
So excited!!!
Unfortunately, I live in Canada. I would adore to see his papers.
Thank you for that bit of info!
Will get back to you!
I’m a turtle reader, so don’t hold your breath… but I will get back!
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Perhaps the case to which you refer is “The Case of the Terrified Typist”, in which Mason defends a man who is, after all, guilty of murder as charged. BUT the guilty man has been operating under a false name, assuming the identity of another, who is, after all, innocent of the crime– and that’s the man Mason had assumed he was defending. But I may be wrong, since this episode airs regularly.
Another one-off: there is a single episode in living color: the very last one, made during contract negotiations for the next season, which had been planned to air in color form that point forward. The series was cancelled altogether by CBS.
I am not the biggest Perry Mason fan that I know. That place of honor is reserved for an old bandmate of mine, who has seen it all more often than I have, and loves it without reservation. The series has proved a durable subject of email correspondence between us over the last two years, right up till yesterday when he revealed the wonders of LA’s Angels’ Flight, world’s shortest rail service, which has operated with but one interruption since the first decade of the 20th century– incidentally, Angel’s Flight is the setting for a scene in a “Perry Mason” episode– the very last one!
I look forward to your re-assessment of that “Velvet Claws” novel!
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OMG — one “Perry Mason” episode in color? I had no idea!
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I found the prose pedestrian and clunky.
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Interesting Erle Stanley Gardner/Perry Mason/Raymond Burr/etc. discussion!
jhNY, you’re right that not many performers have made the transition from playing heavies to playing a hero/heroes — like Burr did. Maybe Humphrey Bogart to an extent.
Resa, Perry Mason actually lost a case or three? Wow! I like that. Humanizes him a bit more.
Liz, I guess plot/story can overcome pedestrian writing — sometimes, not always. 🙂
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To me, it’s hard for anyone to measure up to Raymond Chandler’s way with words.
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He was indeed spectacular for his genre, Liz!
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Noted and appreciated!
(I’m probably going to see if I can get at the Gardner novels online anyway– the price is right!)
But I don’t suffer bad writing very long very often.
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On the up side, the Gardner novels are a quick read.
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That can definitely help when the prose is not stellar! 🙂
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Exactly!
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🙂
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“The Bat” was the first book in the Nordic noir series by Jo Nesbo about the police officer, Harry Hole. Although interesting and well written, I was surprised how the story showed him threatening many people (good and bad), getting into somewhat unrelated physical altercations, and generally acting in a rather outlandish manner even though he was a “visiting” police officer from another country. Not sure if this type of behavior continues in the later books…
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Thank you, Becky! That behavior does sound highly inappropriate, with him being a visiting police author making things even more outrageous. Yes, it would be interesting to know if that behavior continued.
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I would like to say that I’ll read further to find out, but there are too many other books I want to read first:)
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I totally get that, Becky! One must pick and choose. 🙂
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It does. The series gets better, and not so attemptedly ‘arty’. There are no cryptic Aborigine legends or their equivalents in the later books, as I recall. They tell a story over several volumes– of Harry, his girlfriend, her son and a devious malignancy in the crime force. Harry throughout is most flawed, an addict of at least two drugs of choice, willing to do whatever it takes to make things right, as he sees things, anyway. And the way he sees things is skewed indeed.
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Good to hear that the series improves, jhNY! Sometimes it does take a while for a series author to get things right with the writing and the characters.
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Thank you, jhNY, that’s interesting to know!
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Thanks for another interesting perspective of the books we love. After my early initiation into crime fiction by Agatha Christie, I fell in love with the genre. Since moving to the USA, my favorite crime novelist is Michael Connelly, a former crime reporter for the Los Angeles Times. In his Harry Bosch series, a Los Angeles police detective who later becomes a private investigator, Connelly is not shy of revealing the corrupt elements within the LA police force and its political intrigues.
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Thank you, Rosaliene! Great mention of that Michael Connelly character! The one novel I’ve read by that author is “The Lincoln Lawyer,” which I liked a lot. It’s not a Harry Bosch book, but it apparently stars Bosch’s half-brother.
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Hi Dave I need to think about this topic a bit more but Mr Goon from Enid Blyton’s Five Findouters series sprang to mind. The children repeatedly humiliate and outsmart Mr Goon. Mr Plod from her Noddy series is also shown often in an unfavorable light.
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Thank you, Robbie, for those two mentions! What an evocative, revealing name “Mr. Goon” is! “Mr. Plod,” also.
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Hi Dave, I am not much of a read of detective stories or thrillers so my interactions with ‘bad cops’ are limited. I have read all of Aggie Christie’s Hercule Poirot books and all the Miss Marple ones too. I do like dystopian books so I have read several that aim to discredit governments and their policies including 1984, Brave New World and the like. Stephen King is very critical of certain departments of the US Government and select aspects of politics and the functioning of government and elections, and this is highlighted in several of his books. Firestartere and The Stand, in particular, come to mind, as well as The Dead Zone. I never finished reading The Dome, but that one too included this sort of critisism.
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Thank you, Robbie! There is definitely a law-enforcement component in many dystopian novels, and a pretty grim one at that. Authoritarian states of course need to have people to keep beleaguered citizens in line. 😦
Stephen King is indeed a liberal guy who has skillfully skewered those in power in a number of his novels — including that awful politician in “The Dead Zone.”
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That would be president was frightening.
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He was indeed. 😦
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Ever see the Jack Reacher series on Netflix?
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That new series, Bia? I haven’t seen whole episodes, but watched a bunch of clips on YouTube. It looks fantastic! And the actor who plays Reacher is a MUCH better fit for the role than Tom Cruise was.
Have you seen the series? If so, what did you think?
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My Dad was into it. I haven’t actually sat down with him to watch whole episodes with him, but the stuff that went on on the show when I walked in shore as hell got my attention. It was some crazy, disturbing stuff, and it got me wondering how much better the books are than the shows.
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There is definitely loads of crazy, disturbing stuff in the Reacher novels. But I love the books, and have read most of them. Reacher is a decent sort, but will pound the bad guys into submission when necessary. From what I’ve seen of the clips, they do justice to the novels.
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In a crime series by James Lee Burke, Dave Robicheaux is a detective affiliated with the Iberia sheriff’s office. He was formerly a homicide detective in NOLA. He’s also flawed.
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Thank you, Leah! I’ve had James Lee Burke on my to-read list for a while, but have yet to try his work. (My local library has a number of his Dave Robicheaux books, but not the first one in the series — “The Neon Rain.” 😦 ) I will get to him; I’m very interested.
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