
Mary Poppins author P.L. Travers (right) with Mary Poppins actress Julie Andrews and Walt Disney.
A prime goal of most novelists is to create memorable characters. Sometimes, those characters become more famous than the novelists — often with the help of movie adaptations of their books.
I got the idea for today’s post from a reader who comments on this blog as “Anonymous.” That person and I were having a conversation a week or so ago under an old 2016 piece of mine when the subject arose of protagonists who outstripped their creators in renown. I’ll name some of the characters we came up with in that thread, and also mention several others.
In some cases, the characters are way more famous than the authors. In other cases, it’s a closer call.
One example in the first category is Forrest Gump, who skyrocketed to fame in the 1994 movie starring Tom Hanks. Who’s the novelist who first featured Forrest in a 1986 book? The nowhere-near-as-well-known Winston Groom.
A film released 30 years earlier — in 1964 — skyrocketed another book character into wider fame. That character was Mary Poppins, whose creator, P.L. Travers, is not a household name like the magical nanny she thought up.
The kind-of-magical Peter Pan is also much better known than his creator, J.M. Barrie.
Several characters in L. Frank Baum’s 1900 novel The Wonderful Wizard of Oz became more famous than the author, in large part due to 1939’s The Wizard of Oz film. They of course include The Wizard himself, The Wicked Witch, Dorothy, Toto, The Scarecrow, The Tin Man, and The Cowardly Lion.
Toto reminds me that Lassie the dog originated in a 1940 novel by someone whose name is barely remembered today — Eric Knight.
Also, James Bond is a bigger celebrity than spy novelist Ian Fleming, as is Dracula compared to author Bram Stoker. And Lorna Doone, with an assist from her becoming the name of a cookie, is more known than novelist R.D. Blackmore. The girl Heidi, too, is higher on the recognition scale than her creator, Johanna Spyri.
Some examples of characters and authors being closer in fame, with the characters perhaps a little more famous:
There’s of course Sherlock Holmes, the detective who’s so iconic he has a somewhat higher profile than much-remembered author Arthur Conan Doyle.
Also, Gigi — the fictional figure from the 1944 novel that spawned the 1958 movie starring Leslie Caron — might be a tad better known than her creator, Colette.
A few other cases where the character might be slightly more famous than the author include Jane Eyre (Charlotte Bronte), Doctor Zhivago (Boris Pasternak), Tom Jones (Henry Fielding), Jo March (from Louisa May Alcott’s Little Women), Anne Shirley (from L.M. Montgomery’s Anne of Green Gables), and Scarlett O’Hara (from Margaret Mitchell’s Gone with the Wind).
Anything you’d like to say about this topic, including more examples?
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The fictional Cyrano de Bergerac is more famous than both his author Edmond Rostand and the historical Cyrano (1619-1655) on whom the play was based. I did not even know about the historical figure until I looked up the “Cyrano de Bergerac” in Wikipedia.
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Agree on this, also. Definitely more famous!
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Rebecca Rowena Randall from “Rebecca of Sunnybrook Farm” is better known than her author Kate Douglas Wiggin.
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Thank you, Anonymous! Totally agree!
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Dave, quick personal message, do you know anything about syndicating cartoons? I read an online article that said you were an expert, maybe different Dave Astor? But anyway, can syndicates steal your ideas? Do I need a lawyer? I have no idea, looking for help.
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That’s me, Maggie. I did write about syndication, but not since 2008, so a lot of what I could tell anyone is woefully out of date. I can say that you don’t have to worry about your ideas being stolen, though it’s of course a good idea to keep a copy of everything you send a syndicate. (If you want to be totally sure, you can time-stamp what you send in some way, such as emailing it to yourself.) You don’t need a lawyer to submit to a syndicate. If a syndicate wants to sign you — the odds are unfortunately long for anyone — it then would be a good idea to have a lawyer look at the contract before you sign. Good luck!
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Thanks, that’s helpful. Most of the syndicates’ link the the submission guidelines don’t work! Red flag! 🙂
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You’re welcome, Maggie!
Kind of shocking that those links don’t work. 😦
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Sad. 😬
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Yes. 😦
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A very interesting review, I hardly recall Conan Doyle as I do Sherlock Holmes. Huckleberry Finn and Drew’s the same. How they managed to dwarf their authors is unimaginable
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Thank you, Bio Chem Pro! It can indeed be hard to believe when a fictional person becomes more famous than the real person who created her or him. Annoying for the author, yet flattering in a way to that author for being so skillful.
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Nancy Drew. Her author, Mildred Wirt Benson, is known under the name Carolyn Keene. Later in the series, after she retired, other people starting writing under the name Carolyn Keene. By then the books were not nearly as good as when they started. Also, I believe Robinson Crusoe is slightly more famous the Daniel Defoe, the person who thought him up.
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Thank you, Maggie! Totally agree about fame of Nancy Drew and Robinson Crusoe surpassing the fame of their authors. Excellent mentions!
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Thanks! I own almost all the Nancy Drew books, and a very nice edition of Robinson Crusoe, which I have read several times 🙂
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Great that you have those books! 🙂
I’ve read only one Nancy Drew novel, and read “Robinson Crusoe” just once, but enjoyed both.
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Yes. Nancy Drew is more of a girl thing. Similarly, I have read only one Hardy Boys book. 🙂
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Probably true, but I do now read more novels by women than men as an adult. I guess my reading was unfortunately more stereotyped as a kid.
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I don’t even remember most authors I’ve read. Mostly I focus on the book itself!
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Well, we all have different reading experiences. 🙂
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Yep. Personally, I read quickly, forget everything unless it’s really good, and reread again next year.
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Sounds like that works for you!
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Hi, Dave. I think someone is impersonating you on Facebook. https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100087343985332 (I’m contacting you here because I know it’s you.)
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Thank you very much for letting me know, Liz! Yes, I was impersonated yet again. 😦 SO annoying. I posted about it yesterday — warning people not to accept friend requests from the other “me” — and changed my Facebook password.
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I missed your notice. But I did report the creep. For what it’s worth . . .
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I appreciate you reporting the impersonator. Thank you!
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You’re welcome!
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Dave, you mentioned many I would have cited.
I said to myself “don’t mention Scarlet O’Hara”!
I’m always using that book. Dave will start to think it’s the only book I’ve ever read. LOL Glad you did.
How about Sam Spade & Nick and Nora? Daschel Hammit is a close second, but I saw the “Maltese Falcon” with Bogart before I read any of Hammit’s books, or knew his name.
On this theme I mention Philip Marlowe. Lol, I had to google to be reminded that the author is Raymond Chandler.
What about Perry Mason? Author Erle Stanley Gardner.
On another note, I’m reading an interview with John Irving. in “Toronto Life” magazine.
3 banned books, and he says “The United States is in danger of becoming – or already is- a theocracy.”
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Thank you, Resa! Scarlett O’Hara can indeed be O’ubiquitous. 🙂 And, yes, some detective characters are equal to, or more high-profile than, their creators when it comes to fame. Perry Mason? Definitely a bigger name than the author, helped by that old TV series. Last but not least, there’s unfortunately a lot of truth to what John Irving said. 😦
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It’s an interesting interview. I’ve got a hold on Hotel New Hampshire at the library. First, I’m reading D. Wallace Peach’s new book (started) then finishing up the children’s books by Robbie Cheadle.
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Sounds like a great reading plan, Resa!
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Atticus Finch from “To Kill a Mockingbird” is probably better know than Harper Lee partly due to his portrayal by Gregory Peck. Another thing, some characters from popular or pulp fiction tend to be better known than their authors, One that hasn’t been mentioned yet is Zorro.
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Thank you. Excellent point about characters from popular and pulp fiction.
The level of “celebrity” of Atticus Finch vs. Harper Lee seems kind of a toss-up to me. Ms. Lee was hugely famous despite — and perhaps partly because of — her decades of reclusiveness. Then there was the compelling fact of her having written such a blockbuster book, and never writing another novel. (“Go Set a Watchman” is considered by most to be an early draft of “To Kill a Mockingbird” rather than a separate work.)
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I looked up Nancy Drew on Wikipedia. The books were written by various authors between 1930 and 2003 under the pen name Carolyn Keene following plot outlines set by the Stratemeyer Syndicate. Publisher Edward Stratemeyer, who died in 1930, was credited with thinking up the character but he did not actually write any of the books.
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Nancy Drew is definitely more famous than the people who created her and wrote the books!
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Zorro was made up by the American pulp writer Johnston McCulley in 1919.
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That’s a great mention of a character more famous than the writer! (I liked Isabel Allende’s “Zorro” novel a lot when I read it two or three years ago.)
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ETA Hoffman’s story “The Nutcracker and the Mouse King” is the basis of Alexandre Dumas’ adaptation, which in turn inspired Tchaikovsky’s ballet. Each successive permutation was made by a man now more famous than the last. As the ballet is more famous than the original story, and its author.
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…and also, more famous than its characters The Nut Cracker or the Mouse King.
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Thank you, jhNY! That’s a great, fascinating example! When there’s a lineage of different adaptations like that, memory of who the original creator was can indeed fade more than usual.
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Dave, I was thinking of Dame Judith Olivia Dench the well known English Actress .
She is regarded as one of Britain’s best actressess and noted for her versatile work in various films and television programmes , for several generations.
She was also in several Bond Movies
Take a look at her as Lady Catherine de Bourg , in Pride and Predidice which is an 1813 novel by Jane Austen.
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Thank you, Bebe! That’s some great dialogue and great acting! I don’t think any of Jane Austen’s characters are as famous as Austen herself, though some — including Elizabeth Bennet –are pretty well-known. 🙂
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I was talking about Judy Dench the actor who is equally famous today as Jane Austen the author.
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Ah, I see what you’re saying, Bebe. Some actresses and actors can indeed be more famous than many authors. I imagine there are more watchers of movies than readers of novels, and of course cinema is so visual and celebrity-infused that quite a few performers become VERY high-profile.
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There are fictional literary characters who are just as but probably not better known than their famous authors. Some examples include Rip Van Winkle (Washington Irving), Ivanhoe (Sir Walter Scott), Moby Dick (Herman Melville), and Long John Silver (Robert Louis Stevenson).
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All those sound just about right. In the case of Robert Louis Stevenson, the dual personality-ed Jekyll and Hyde might be better known than the author.
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Besides characters, there are also novels, short stories, novellas, and plays that are better known than their authors. Some that I can think of offhand include works as varied as “The Prisoner of Zenda”, “The Scarlet Pimpernel”, “Catch 22”, “The Snow Goose”, “The Lady or The Tiger”, “The Monkey’s Paw,” “Arsenic and Old Lace” and maybe “Our Town”.
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Dave, please put quotation marks behind “The Monkey’s Paw”, Thanks.
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Change made.
Thank you for listing some literary works better known than their authors. Interesting offshoot angle. I agree with most of your examples, except perhaps for “Catch-22” and “Our Town.” Joseph Heller and Thornton Wilder are pretty recognizable names.
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The term catch 22 has entered popular culture to mean a situation where all the available choices are bad.
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Very true. I guess that phrase does have much wider renown than Joseph Heller himself. 🙂
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I found that “War and Peace” (the title, not the characters) to be even better known than Leo Tolstoy, it has become synonymous with either a great novel or a doorstopper.
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You have an excellent point there!
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Check out this terrific new post, by Robbie Cheadle, related to the subject of this week’s discussion:
https://roberta-writes.com/2022/10/25/book-characters-who-are-more-famous-than-their-creators/
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As you point out in your introduction and with Forest Gump, in most cases characters who are more famous that their creators happen also to be movie characters who are more famous that their book characters and authors, hence films that are more famous than the novels they are based on. Mrs. Doubtfire is a good example. She is almost exclusively known as a film character, and not a book character, let alone the name of her creator Anne Fine. Shrek is another example. That happens to be William Steig’s children book.
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Thank you, Diana! Those are two terrific examples! When there are hit movies and many people don’t know that books inspired those films, the characters have definitely outshone their author creators. One feels bad for the authors (if they’re still alive), but hopefully they or their estates receive plenty of residuals.
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As a former librarian, I agree with you. Readers would ask for “the green bookcover” or “the one about a murder” not the author’s name. However, there are pockets in the world where authors are still remembered and their memories kept alive. Your photo of Walt, Julie and Pamela prompted me to reply because P L Traver’s memory is alive and well in Maryborough Queensland where she grew up. Every year a festival celebrates her books, stories and the legacies she left behind. Her family home, originally a bank because her father was the bank manager, is open to the public and houses extensive memorabilia. Personally, I think times change and publishers drive the need for new authors. Blog link to my Maryborough visit:
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Thank you, ThoughtsBecomeWords! I love the post of yours you linked to and the many great photos in it!
I’m glad P.L. Travers is much-remembered in that one place (and I assume in some other places, too). It’s nice to know that authors who create characters who become more famous than them can still be as famous as their characters in some necks of the woods.
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Wow you covered a lot of ground with this one – a lot of the thoughts that popped into my head have been said already! 🙂 And you know I always love it when Anne (with an e) Shirley gets mentioned in any post hahaha 🙂 I actually only recently found out that Forrest Gump was a novel before it was a movie – so that goes to show just how obscure the author has remained in light of the film!
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Thank you, M.B.! I also always love mentions of Anne Shirley (yes — ha! — not Ann 🙂 ), and I also didn’t realize for a long time that the Forrest Gump character originated in a novel.
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I have the feeling that Henry Higgins and Eliza Doolittle (George Bernard Shaw) and Zorba the Greek (Kazantzakis) are better known than their authors mainly due to Hollywood movies.
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Dave, please change “better know” to “better known”. Thank you very much.
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Change made.
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Could be, though George Bernard Shaw was quite a notable, too. 🙂
And, yes, those movies helped big time!
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Alexis Zorba aka Zorba the Greek is much better known than his author Nikos Kazantzakis. I’ve never read the novel or seen the film but the name has stuck in my mind like a sore thumb.
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I absolutely agree about Zorba!
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HI Dave, there are so many characters from books that are better known than their creators. I am sure that Charlie from Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, Mr Fox and Matilda are all more famous than Roald Dahl. The Lorax and the Grinch are more famous than Dr. Seuss and Scrooge is more famous than Charles Dickens (maybe). Some like Shakespeare are perhaps more famous than their works but I’m not sure. Romeo and Juliet must be very famous as well as Macbeth.
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Thank you, Robbie! I appreciate the various great examples! Yes, there are quite a few characters who’ve reached a higher “celebrity” level than their creators.
I do think that Dr. Seuss might be as famous as any of his characters — also including The Cat in the Hat. But it’s close. 🙂
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With some authors it is probably close. What about Roger Hargreaves and the Mr Men and Little Miss series of children’s books. I love those – grin!
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Thank you for that example, Robbie! Unfortunately, I or my daughters never read those books. 😦
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They are lots of fun, Dave. Both my sons cut their reading teeth on them.
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Nice that that happened! 🙂
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Often the characters are equal to the authors especially if the books are autobiographical!
Talking of rare autobiographical series do try reading Beyond Enkription, the first spy thriller in the autobiographical Burlington Files series.
Beyond Enkription (intentionally misspelt) is a must read for espionage cognoscenti and the first stand-alone spy thriller in The Burlington Files autobiographical series by Bill Fairclough (MI6 codename JJ, aka Edward Burlington). It’s a raw and noir matter of fact pacy novel that Len Deighton and Mick Herron could be forgiven for thinking they co-wrote it. Coincidentally, a few critics have nicknamed its protagonist “a posh Harry Palmer.”
This elusive and enigmatic novel is a true story about a maverick accountant (Edward Burlington in Porter Williams International aka Bill Fairclough in Coopers & Lybrand now PwC in real life). In 1974 in London he began infiltrating organised crime gangs, unwittingly working for MI6. After some frenetic attempts on his life he was relocated to the Caribbean where, “eyes wide open” he’s recruited by the CIA and is soon headed for shark infested waters off Haiti.
If you’re an espionage cognoscente you’ll love this monumental book but just because you think you know it all don’t surf through the prologue: you may miss some disinformation. After all, in real life Fairclough worked with Pemberton’s People in MI6 and Colonel Alan Pemberton’s People even included Roy Richards OBE (Winston Churchill’s bodyguard) and an eccentric British Brigadier (Peter ‘Scrubber’ Stewart-Richardson) who was once refused permission to join the Afghan Mujahideen.
If you felt squeamish when watching Jaws, you may find the savagery of the opening chapter upsetting, but it soon passes. This epic is so real it made us wonder why bother reading espionage fiction when facts are so much more exhilarating. Atmospherically it’s reminiscent of Ted Lewis’ Get Carter of Michael Caine fame. If anyone ever makes a film based on Beyond Enkription they’ll only have themselves to blame if it doesn’t go down in history as a classic thriller … it’s the stuff memorable films are made of.
Whether you’re a le Carré connoisseur, a Deighton disciple, a Fleming fanatic, a Herron hireling or a Macintyre marauder, odds on once you are immersed in it you’ll read this titanic production twice.
For more detailed reviews visit the Reviews page on TheBurlingtonFiles.org website or see other independent reviews on your local Amazon website and check out Bill Fairclough’s background on the web.
Do look up the authors or books mentioned on Amazon, Google The Burlington Files or visit theburlingtonfiles website and read Beyond Enkription.
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Thank you, MI6!
That’s a really nice angle on this discussion — your point about some characters being equal to authors in renown because those characters are autobiographical or semi-autobiographical.
And “Beyond Enkription” does sound interesting. Thanks for describing it. I’m not much of a spy-novel reader myself, but many people do love that genre.
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It’s a different angle and that book is so different too – nothing like a John le Carré or Ian Fleming production but nonetheless addictive. If adapted for film it could well be the next 007.
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Hope the book does well!
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You too!
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Don Quixote is probably better known than his author Miguel de Cervantes (partly due to the Broadway musical), from people who do not come from an Hispanic cultural background.
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As well-known as Miguel de Cervantes is to a number of people, I agree that his Don Quixote character is definitely more in the cultural vernacular. Nice mention!
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I agree, Don Quixote is very famous but few people know the author.
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Don Quixote has contributed to the English word quixotic and the phrase “tilting at windmills”.
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You’re right about that. When something from a novel becomes part of the general language, it’s something to see!
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I can’t let a mention of Doyle and his cash cow/albatross Sherlock Holmes pass without mentioning that not only did Holmes overshadow his creator, his creator resented it in a most elementary way. (Readers wanted more Holmes, which Doyle felt took time away from his George Challenger stories and his real-world investigations of photographing fairies in the garden).
That’s why Doyle tried to kill Holmes (and brought him back with great reluctance).
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And of course I can’t think of that without thinking of the Bernard Partridge cartoon in Punch (“Mr. Punch’s Personalities” feature in 1926) of Doyle sitting in agony, his head encircled by a cloud of smoke from the pipe of Sherlock Holmes, to whom Doyle is shackled.
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Thank you, Don! I enjoyed your comment! Arthur Conan Doyle did indeed have some strong resentment toward his Sherlock Holmes character. Partly a didn’t-want-to-be-typecast-as-just-a-detective author thing, too. Also happened to other writers — including L.M. Montgomery, who grew kind of tired doing her many “Anne of Green Gables” sequels. Fortunately, both Doyle and Montgomery wrote other great works in addition to the ones they’re most known for.
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A lot of people think Sherlock Holmes was a real person and some even think he is still alive.
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Robbie, I’ve also read that some people felt Sherlock Holmes was real. Quite a credit to the author, even though Arthur Conan Doyle might not have appreciated it. 🙂
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Frankenstein’s Monster is much better known than Mary Shelley to the general public. However, the Monster in the novel was very different than the character in popular culture in that he was very articulate. Also some of Lewis Carroll’s characters such as Alice, The Mad Hatter, and The Cheshire Cat are arguably better known than the author.
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Thank you! I agree on all counts about Mary Shelley’s and Lewis Carroll’s characters being better known to many than the authors. And Shelley’s book “monster” is indeed different than the movie version of that “monster.” I wonder what she would have thought of Boris Karloff’s performance — and the Mel Brooks spoof “Young Frankenstein.” 🙂
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I may have commented twice think I accidentally deleted first one. Both Rosemary and her baby and Ira Levin. Baby Jane and Henry Farrell. Holly Golightly and Capote. Stanley Kowalski and Tennessee Williams. Rebecca and Daphne Du Maurier. The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo and Stieg Larson. Robinson Crusoe and Daniel Defoe. Hope I remembered all of ’em. Great post, Dave. Thanx, Susi
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Thank you, Susi! Terrific examples of characters much better known than their creators — including Robinson Crusoe. Of course! 🙂
To me, Stanley Kowalski/Tennessee Williams and a couple others you mentioned are close calls. 🙂 Tennessee’s colorful name and wide renown for a number of plays helps.
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True yet you’d be surprised how many people don’t know these authors or their characters unless their characters were featured in a movie based on the book. Sadly the pleasure in reading a book has gone south *sigh* Yeah Kowalski and Williams is a close call. Perhaps I should say that guy who screams Stella or Stella herself, ha. Thank God we still have literary festivals.
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LOL, Susi! 🙂 This video is both hilarious and rather disturbing. 🙂 Yes, the phrase Stanley Kowalski uttered might be better known than Stanley himself. Of course, Stanley-in-the-“A Streetcar Named Desire”-film Marlon Brando was VERY famous.
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Yup, no one can approximate Brando’s version, although it was said he loathed the role of Kowalski. And I eventually loathed the name Stella. Seems like a fun contest though. Thanx Dave, really thought provoking theme.
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Yes, Brando was amazing in that role. Didn’t know he loathed it. Thanks for the follow-up comment, Susi!
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Great post, Dave and wonderful comments. I read most. I’m not sure if anyone mentioned Jack Ryan who might be the character that can give Tom Clancy a run for the money.
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Thank you, Dan!
Jack Ryan definitely has Tom Clancy-like prominence. And as is the case with many other characters mentioned in the comments and in my post, being portrayed on a movie screen helped. 🙂
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Sometimes authors are happy enough to create the character that will be better remembered than their own name. Also there’s the likes of hemingway who was every bit as large as his characters. I remember seeing the TV series Fleming, about Ian Fleming-obvi, lol– and it struck me that in his own right (write, oh the puns are flying) he was quite famous and that there may have been a good bit of him in Bond.
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Thank you, Shehanne! You’re right that some authors are proud of creating characters more famous than them, even as some others might be resentful to a certain degree. And, yes, there are authors such as Hemingway so memorable, charismatic, adventurous, or whatever who can’t be outshone by their characters. Other 20th-century authors somewhere near that neighborhood of larger-than-life-ness would include Jack London and Patricia Highsmith, to name a couple.
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HI Shey, few people seem to know that Ian Fleming also created Chitty, Chitty, Bang, Bang. That car is also quite famous.
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I did not know that, Robbie!
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Haha, you’ve proved my point.
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LOL, Robbie! 🙂 Yes!
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On a related topic the opera “Carmen” is better known than the novella on which it was based. Also some movies such as “101 Dalmatians” and “Forrest Gump” are better known than the books. “Ben-Hur” was the best selling American novel in the late 19th and early 20th Centuries but today it is not as well known as the movie starring Charlton Heston.
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It’s indeed interesting when a screen or stage adaptation of a book becomes more famous than the book. Also the case with the plays inspired by James Michener’s “Tales of the South Pacific” novel and Gregory Maguire’s “Wicked” novel.
“Ben-Hur” definitely sold tons of copies in the 19th-century, though I’ve heard “Uncle Tom’s Cabin” might have sold more.
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Yeah, Disney has ruined several characters portrayed by their authors. And from what I know of Ian Fleming, I’d say it’s a tie between him and 007 as to who’s more famous. Fleming actually worked in several branches of intelligence for Great Britain. His novels have bases in facts. 🙂
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Thank you, Mary Jo! I agree about Disney and the way he and his company have…Disney-fied…a number of characters. 😦
I don’t know much about Ian Fleming. From what you say, he was pretty famous — and not only as an author.
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Dave such an interesting post and not sure if anyone else mentioned Scrooge – but I think many folks now that character and maybe not Dickens
also – glad you mentioned the cookie Lorna Doone – because I knew of the cookie before the character – hahaha
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Thank you, Prior…! No, Scrooge has not been mentioned. He might be the one Charles Dickens character as famous as the author himself. A few other Dickens creations are close — Pip, Miss Havisham, Oliver Twist, David Copperfield…
Ha! 🙂 I think I also knew the Lorna Doone cookie before I knew it was named after a character in a novel. 🙂
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Even very famous authors wrote characters who were as famous or almost as famous as themselves. Examples include Romeo, Juliet, and Hamlet (Shakespeare), Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn (Mark Twain), and Anna Karenina (Tolstoy).
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Yes! LOTS of multiple fame there.
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Well I think Scrooge is more famous than dickens in the circles I often work with – ha! Not a huge lit crowd and so they know Scrooge – the Christmas Carol ghosts and the many versions of it – like Scrooge McDuck – Carol’s ghosts and hallmark versions – I think even Queen Latifa had a version of Christmas Carol ghosts and so did Bill Murray
And so many of the folks I know would know Scrooge and not necessarily dickens ….
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I can see that Scrooge would be more famous than Dickens in many a person’s mind. Being “a Scrooge” is a much-known phrase, and, as you note, “A Christmas Carol” has been made into a movie and other productions multiple times.
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thanks for a fun post, Dave – and hope you have a great week
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You’re welcome! Thanks for your excellent comments — and have a great week, too!
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Hi Yvette, Scrooge is the first one I thought of too, along with Oliver Twist.
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🙂
yes – Oliver Twist was one that came to my mind too –
“some more, please”
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I’ve written another post. Hehe!
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Saw it, Robbie! It’s great, and I commented under it. Thank you very much for the mention in it! I’ll post a link to your piece soon at the top of this comments area. 🙂
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Thanks Dave, thanks for the fun inspiration.
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You’re very welcome, Robbie! 🙂
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Pinocchio is a famous example of a character being more famous than his author. In fact I can’t even name the author without searching the web except it definitely is NOT Walt Disney.
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Thank you! Pinocchio is a terrific mention. I had to look up the original author, too — Carlo Collodi, whose book was published in 1883.
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Carlo Callodi, he was Italian.
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What a stimulating discussion, Dave! Fictional characters and their creators come alive in such a new way 🙂
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Thank you, Rosaliene! I’m really enjoying the discussion, too. 🙂
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Characters who are better known than their authors are not common in serious fiction but they occur quite frequently in children’s books. One recent example is Fancy Nancy from the picture books.
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There are definitely some children’s-book characters who are more famous than their creators. Not in any by Dr. Seuss, though. 🙂 He’s as famous as even his most famous characters. 🙂
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Oh Dave, this is another one of your posts that had my mind humming. I am going back to my early days of reading for these three:
Remember Bambi (another famous Walt Disney rewrite)? Felix Salten
Tarzan by Edgar Rice Burroughs
Willy Wonka by Roald Dahl
Don reminded me of “Man with no Name” created by Sergio Leone for A Fistful of Dollars, but was in fact adapted by a ronin character in Kurosawa’s Yojimbo. (I would never have thought to mention this one on my own.)
And here is another famous character (another suggestion by Don because he read the book as a child) Robin Hood. The Merry Adventures of Robin Hood of Great Renown in Nottinghamshire is an 1883 novel by the American illustrator and writer Howard Pyle
And because I have been following your posts and throwback photos, I just had to add “Superman” created by Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster from comic fame. (I believe they were the foreshadowing giants of graphic novels) And Spider-Man created by Stan Lee and Steve Ditko
I must leave you with a quote that everyone who reads late into the night would understand completely:
“Sleep is good, he said, and books are better.” George R.R. Martin
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Thank you, Rebecca! MANY excellent mentions. Bambi, Robin Hood, etc. — absolutely! (Actually, I had no idea “Bambi” originated as a novel.)
As for Superman, you’re probably aware that his two creators were treated quite shabbily by DC Comics — getting nowhere near the money or credit they should have.
I love that George R.R. Martin quote! It’s probably hard to sleep on “Thrones,” anyway. 🙂
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You have a talent for humor, Dave!!! LOL
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Thank you, Rebecca! 🙂 Sometimes just silly wordplay… 🙂
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Oh, yes, Robin Hood is a good one and so is King Arthur and his knights of the round table.
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Robin Hood was a legendary character who dated back to the Middle Ages. I believe he was well known long before Howard Pyle wrote about him.
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I agree!! I am fascinated by how Robin Hood features in cultural memory! I read somewhere that Robin Hood, during 14th-century England when agrarian discontent had begun to chip away at the feudal system, appeared as an anti-establishment rebel who fought against government agents and wealthy landowners. The history of Robin Hood is a great research project. There are many iterations and even now we seem to want to hear the story over and over again ! Thank you for your great comment!
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Yes, and it turns out that Jesus is a lot more famous than the people who wrote the New Testament. So it happens outside of the world of novels, too.
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Thank you, Bill! You certainly have a point there about Jesus Christ — one of the most recognizable names of all time.
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How about Black Beauty, Ben-Hur, Phillip Marlowe, Perry Mason, and Nancy Drew, I know that these characters are not from classic novels. I’ve only read Ben-Hur but I’ve heard of all these other names. Also I believe that Jay Gatsby is just as well known as F. Scott Fitzgerald due to several movies.
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Thank you for those additional names! I agree with most — great mentions! I do think author Raymond Chandler is pretty close to Philip Marlowe in name recognition, as is F. Scott Fitzgerald vis-à-vis Jay Gatsby. Fitzgerald is one of those authors who’s as much of a “character” as any character he created.
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What I find interesting about this question is that the characters who eclipse their authors are primarily in movie adaptations of novels–and in some cases, the movie version of the character is not, in fact, the character that the book author created. Mary Poppins and Forrest Gump immediately come to mind. The Mary Poppins of the novel is not the cotton candy version Disney created for the movie, nor is the Forrest Gump of the novel the endearing fellow Tom Hanks played on-screen.
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Thank you, Liz! Those are terrific points! Movie adaptations really do account for a lot of the cases where this happens, and the film versions of the protagonists indeed do not always resemble the original book versions. Often made more “palatable” and “mass audience” for the screen, as you allude to. I’ve read that P.L. Travers was not happy with what Disney did to her creation.
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Probably more difficult to do this today, in the age of creator-as-celebrity. Harry Potter and J.K. Rowling have already been mentioned. I was also thinking of Jack Ryan and Dirk Pitt and their equally-well-known creators (Tom Clancy and Clive Cussler, respectively).
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Also thinking of characters like Paul Bunyan or Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer, whom we, today, think of as folkloric, but were in fact created by advertising copywriters whose names are are known only to those who care enough to look ’em up on the Google machine.
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Thank you, Don! A terrific point about us being in the age of creator as celebrity. Of course, some long-ago writers were mega-celebrities, too — Charles Dickens, Mark Twain, and so on. But social media and other modern-day publicity vehicles help fuel an even higher-level celebrity vibe.
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And great, interesting mentions of Paul Bunyan and Rudolph!
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As a child, I hated what Disney did to my Mary Poppins!
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Ah, so you had read “Mary Poppins” books before seeing the movie? The film must have indeed been a disappointment to you.
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Yes, I read the books first. I was very upset by the movie.
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Movies based on books create that upset so often it’s a nice surprise when that doesn’t happen. (Films based on novels that I thought did the books some kind of justice include the “Harry Potter” ones, “The Lord of the Rings” ones, and “Housekeeping,” to name a few.)
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For me, the objection comes not so much for changing or omitting things in the book for the sake of the film medium, but for not remaining true to the main characters.
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That IS pretty unforgivable.
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Disney has wrecked its way through a lot of literature actually.
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You’re right about that, Shey!
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Yeah. Maybe someone could do a blog on the top ten stories they wrecked.
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When it comes to conveying the truth of books, Disney is too often “The Lyin’ King.”
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LOL!! And I see Liz there has sort of suggested what I didn’t want to!! But look you got your title and everything. I’ll see an elephant fly before I uphold their appalling trashing of the Little Mermaid and the Hunchback of Notre Dame, stories they should never have bargepoled, given their content.
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Thank you, Shehanne! Vividly expressed. 🙂 I’ve read “The Hunchback of Notre Dame” and seen a near-Broadway-quality production sort of based on it. While the latter was pretty good, the “feel” was indeed not quite appropriate for the riveting, emotionally wrenching novel.
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Well, of course Hollywood has never killed off Esmeralda yet that I can think of. But you’re right re the book. It’s quite throat clenching.
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Yes, Shehanne, Hollywood almost always wants happier endings than many a novel offers. And I’m surprised they didn’t give Quasimodo a complete makeover to look like Brad Pitt. 🙂
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Well, frankly he was aye a better bet than thon wet blanket Phoebus. So I guess if they made him like Brad then there might be some conflict as opposed to no contest. What always tickles me re Disney is they never flinched though, from taking out Bambi’s mother and Simba’s father. Dave you could do a blog on books that film adaptations have totally changed.
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I mean to add re Bambi and the Lion King that Disney did that to the traumatised weeping of kids worldwide.
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Really interesting, Shehanne, that Disney did/does the trauma thing in some cases while watering down stories in many other cases. And, yes, the decent Quasimodo never had a chance in the romantic department, which was of course one of many reasons why Victor Hugo’s novel was so poignant and powerful.
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I know. That last bit where they find the skeletons… He never had a chance.
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Hye…there’s another blog ideqa for you, characters who never had a chance.
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What a scene that is, Shehanne. 😦
Characters who never had a chance…hmm…interesting. The ones in Hans Christian Andersen’s story “The Little Match Girl” and Stephen Crane’s novella “Maggie: A Girl of the Streets” are two who immediately come to mind.
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Sounds like a job for Dave!
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Liz, I’m not sure I’ve read enough things turned into Disney films or seen enough of the Disney films to do such a blog post. 🙂
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Heh heh . . . 🙂
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🙂
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If Mickey Mouse has a blog, perhaps that cartoon rodent could write the piece on Disney movie fails… 🙂
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Ha ha ha!
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🙂
Not that Mickey would be objective…
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Just get in the rodent and throw it open for a vote. Which books or stories should Disney have left untouched. . . .
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LOL, Shehanne! 🙂 Might result in everyone voting for Disney to have left all previously written novels and stories untouched. 🙂 Sort of like when almost 100% of the votes allegedly go to the dictator candidate in authoritarian country elections — only more welcome. 🙂
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Kind of thinking what I was Liz xxxxxx
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HI Liz, I also loved Mary Poppins the book and you are right, she could be quite mean (do you remember the story about the compass points?), but I loved the musical. Julie Andrews and Dick van Dyke were simply amazing. I loved the penguins in the painting.
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I read those books in primary school, so I don’t remember details, although I do remember my mother telling me that Mary Poppins was racist.
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Did she say that? Maybe because of that particular story which featured a family of ‘red Indians’. I don’t recall it being particularly racist but now I’ll have to re-read it.
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Yes, she did, although she may not have used the word “racist.”
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Agreed!
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I totally agree with you, Dave
Some characters seem to have a life of their own and become more famous than their creators.
I don’t know who else to add to your list
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Thank you, Luisa! I like the way you said “some characters seem to have a life of their own.” Indeed they do. Great “alchemy” by their novelist creators!
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How amazing when this phenomenon happens! The power of the creative narrative. The only other example I can think of is Harry Potter, but, in this case, he and his creator probably share equal fame.
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Thank you, Rosaliene! Yes, it IS amazing when one thinks about — a character conjured up in an author’s imagination becoming more famous than the flesh-and-blood author.
Harry Potter did occur to me as I was writing the post, but, as you note, J.K. Rowling is pretty much equally famous.
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Well, I had to think a while about this one. I finally came up with the character of Cinderella, whose story by Charles Perrault precedes that of the Grimm brothers. However, I think today Walt Disney is the author most commonly associated with the character.
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Thank you, vanaltman! Great point about Cinderella! She and other stars of “fairy tales” are in many cases much better known than the people who dreamed them up. Sometimes those people are no longer known at all. But, yes, Walt Disney, is certainly a VERY high-profile name — even as many at his company who did the actual animation work were and are usually pretty low-profile.
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The same is true for the characters in folklore worldwide, such as Anansi in Caribbean folklore.
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Excellent observation, Rosaliene!
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What a delightful post/list/question! And, yes, there are quite a few characters that are more famous than their authors and more commonly associated with Walt Disney… Here’s another one to add to the list: Peter Pan by J.M. Barrie.
And there are others, outside Disney’s long reach, that qualify for this excellent list you’ve compiled: The Godfather (Vito Corleone) by Mario Puzo, and Dracula, by Bram Stoker, and, of course, Frankenstein (who gets confused for his creation more often than not), by Mary Shelley.
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Thank you, Endless Weekend, for those great additional mentions! Yes, characters such as The Godfather and Frankenstein (who’s the creator not the creation, as you noted) are better known to many people than Mario Puzo and Mary Shelley.
Disney’s reach is indeed long. Too long…
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One of my all-time favorite books is “Out of Africa”, Karen Blixen’s biography. Sadly, Meryl Streep, portraying her in the movie is much better known and hardly anybody would recognize a photograph of Karen Blixen in real life.
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Thank you, Bridget! That’s a great example of this phenomenon in the nonfiction realm. Meryl Streep is such a stellar actress that her star power can dwarf the subject she plays. Also in “Silkwood,” etc.
(I do happen to remember photos of Karen Blixen sitting at a 1959 party that another writer, Carson McCullers, held for her. Guests included Marilyn Monroe and Arthur Miller!)
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I love the book and the movie, which seldom happens. Years later, when I visited Kenya, I found Karen Blixen’s in a bar, she still is very well known in Africa, which made me smile. I wish she would know it.
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I really liked both the book and the movie, too! Great that you visited Kenya, and great that Karen Blixen is still remembered in Africa!
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I was born in Austria, right on the boarder to Italy. My first vacation was to Tunis Africa ($250 Dollar for one week with hotel, flight and food) because it was so cheap and so close. Later on, when I traveled and worked as a translator and impetrator, I got lucky and could spend weeks/months in different African States.
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That’s a great travel and employment history, Bridget! Thanks for sharing it. 🙂
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Hmmm … this is not as easy as you might think!
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I agree, Bon Repos Gites! It took me a while to come up with some of the examples, and of course a few of them are subjective enough to be open to challenge. 🙂
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I am still thinking!! 😉
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No pressure. 🙂
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😉
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